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altimaklr

altimaklr

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Once Fedex starts hiring in a month or so, will the ACMI's start hurting for pilots? It seems like the natural progression for a cargo guy. Even if you like your current place it's hard to turn down a 100% pay increase.
 
100% pay raise is a bit of a stretch... Most of the guys/gals at my company aren't interested. We/they enjoy the long periods of time off with one commute a month versus broken up into multiple commutes and multiple 3/4 day trips... It isn't always about the money... Will we lose some? Probably. Will there be a mad dash for the door, causing a collapse of the senority list? No...
 
Totally not interested!! Take quite a pay cut, go to the bottom of the list for ever, fly with guy's complaining how bad life is - No you can keep it thanks.
 
I'm a lifer at Atlas, not going anywhere. Pay is decent, and will increase with new contract, fat profit sharing checks, new planes (747-400, -8s, possibly 767s), starting my 13th year, don't have to jumpseat to work, .........etc.

Not interested
 
B747FR8DAWG said:
I'm a lifer at Atlas, not going anywhere. Pay is decent, and will increase with new contract, fat profit sharing checks, new planes (747-400, -8s, possibly 767s), starting my 13th year, don't have to jumpseat to work, .........etc.

Not interested
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.....yea what he said!!!
 
propilot said:
100% pay raise is a bit of a stretch... Most of the guys/gals at my company aren't interested. We/they enjoy the long periods of time off with one commute a month versus broken up into multiple commutes and multiple 3/4 day trips... It isn't always about the money... Will we lose some? Probably. Will there be a mad dash for the door, causing a collapse of the senority list? No...
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I don't know about that M. Between FedEx and SWA I know of 11 pilots that have applied to both, and I have only been on the line for one leg of OE since October 10th. Going on five years and the last two, since we were purchased by a hedge fund group, have really opened my eyes to World not being a 30 year career. The whole "World has been trying to go out of business for 62 years" thing doesn't apply to the new times of the World. They been F@cking us for 5 years now on profit sharing and if they don't get what they want out of us as an investment, we'll be dropped like a hot potato.

We're going to have to strike to get any improvement in the new contract and that will be really costly to the over all numbers. This is not a close nit company anymore that takes pride in our mission or the respect the name "World Airways" used to demand. We are at the mercy of Wall Street types that have no feelings of guilt to ruin peoples lives; They're only worried about numbers and the next gig that will pay them 6 million dollars a year.

Hell, our director of training left for SWA and he had a "cush" job/life down in PTC!!

All 12 day off lines on the 74, not enough pilots to fly either fleet, can't get training done on 74 because the checks have to fly the line, half the pilots can't fly the Jade contract and to make any money, you have to volunteer. I was naive when I came here. I knew guys and loved everything about the job; I wasn't paying close enough attention to the pay scales.

I can double my pay second year at FedEx and 3rd or 4th year at SWA working LESS. We don't get paid anything close to what we should be to fly wide bodies and commercial in coach all over the world for 18 days month. There is absolutely no doubt that FedEx and SWA provide more stability than any ACMI. That's just the way life is when your contracts could be gone at any time.

This is only my humble opinion, of course.

PtP
 
I hear what you're saying. But, unless everyone is hiding their intentions, which is understandable, I have flown with very few that are looking elsewhere. I'm looking, and applying, but we are young enough to make the jump. A lot of the guys don't want to start over again... Is the 74 side that disgruntled? I'm headed to school for it in May.
 
Nope, not moving. I have a job I like very much, a company run by folks who know how to make money, a paycheck that looks pretty good and a great bunch of folks to fly with. There's absolutely no reason to change. There's more to life than playing "how much money can you make".
 
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altimaklr said:
4th year FO pay vs. 2nd year pay at Fedex

Atlas: $95 x 62 hr: $5890
Kalitta $88 x 62 hr: $5456

Fedex 2nd year : $140 x 74 hours x 1.09% (pension) = $11292
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i would have to look closer at the list, but i think most 4 year guys are captains at kalitta at about 130/hr. of course, the pension is not there, but really good flying, basically 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, no more commuting.

also looks like you pulled the WB pay, is that realistic at fedex right now? not sure...guessing you would have to go to hkg for that?
 
Talon757 said:
... There's more to life than playing "how much money can you make".
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YOU are absolutely correct! Like hiking, mt. biking, golfing, spending time with family, flying a super cub, etc., etc. So if you can make as much or more money for spending less time on the road than you do now... I would say "absolutely no reason" is a bit too strong of a statement. Then again, Atlas is the place to be if you want to stay in the ACMI business.

Best of luck to all!

PtP
 
If you want to compare $, then u need to compare total compensation. You only took base at Atlas/Kalitta, and you added extra on to Fedex.....intentionally creating skewed numbers.
 
atpcliff said:
If you want to compare $, then u need to compare total compensation. You only took base at Atlas/Kalitta, and you added extra on to Fedex.....intentionally creating skewed numbers.
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Atlas and Kalitta don't have either an A or B fund. FedEx has both and the A fund is paid at 1.09% (or maybe it's 2 according to APC).

Doesn't seem skewed to me.

Elaborate please.

By the way congrats on getting out of the big A and in with Atlas.

PtP
 
If you cant see that total compensation @ fed-ex or ups is better than any ACMI, you need to have you eyes examined. Total career earning are way better especially for the time you have to put in @ work to get said earning.

Now that being said depending on your age and QOL the switch may not be for everyone. But you can not argue the compensation package is any better @ any of the ACMI"s even Atlas.

And I can figure that out only having got my GED!
 
tubineotter said:
If you cant see that total compensation @ fed-ex or ups is better than any ACMI, you need to have you eyes examined. Total career earning are way better especially for the time you have to put in @ work to get said earning.

Now that being said depending on your age and QOL the switch may not be for everyone. But you can not argue the compensation package is any better @ any of the ACMI"s even Atlas.

And I can figure that out only having got my GED!
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Think you missed the point. No one is arguing that the ACMI carriers fall far short of FEDEX, merely that the ACMI carriers compensation is understated.
 
Does FedEx have profit sharing? And Kalitta probably has something that FedEx/Atlas don't have.

IF you want to compare $, then compare base pay and per diem. OR, compare ALL compensation.....but then you really need to compare EVERYTHING...schedules, days off, etc.

I know that, for me, Kalitta's home basing is WAY better than trying to get to work for FedEx...they do not fly to my home airport.

cliff
GRB
 
atpcliff said:
Does FedEx have profit sharing? And Kalitta probably has something that FedEx/Atlas don't have.

IF you want to compare $, then compare base pay and per diem. OR, compare ALL compensation.....but then you really need to compare EVERYTHING...schedules, days off, etc.

I know that, for me, Kalitta's home basing is WAY better than trying to get to work for FedEx...they do not fly to my home airport.

cliff
GRB
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Nicely said Sir, us usual.
 
Even though Palmtree Pilot's post about World pretty much sums it up, I am a 4th year FO and I plan on staying here. Call me too optimistic, but I think this ship can be turned around. Besides, I like that I only fly 400ish hours a year and make decent money for an ACMI with a great group of guys and gals. With the home basing and extended periods of time off, I like the ACMI lifestyle and I am of the belief that the grass isn't necessarily greener at other airlines.

Just curious, what's the average for hours flown in a year @ FedEx?
 
LongBeachTrijet said:
Just curious, what's the average for hours flown in a year @ FedEx?
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Don't know about system average, but I blocked 285 in 2010. That was with 3 months reserve, 2 months international, and 7 domestic. That was probably a little lighter than typical, since we were in furlough mitigation with reduced BLGs for part of the year.
Looking back at the four years prior to the reduced BLGs, it looks like I averaged right at 315 blocked per year. Mainly domestic flying with a little reserve sprinkled in.

Z
 
World has went down hill the last few years. That is for sure! It is still a fun job and a descent career.I have probably averaged $210,000 per year for the last 6 years. Sure I would rather be a captain at Fedex but starting over is not always an easy or good option.
Spread sheets over a 20 year career dont always prove to be that accurate as they dont take into account loss of medical, furloughs etc...
I remember my AA interview they said we were all future millionaires....things change!
 
LongBeachTrijet said:
Even though Palmtree Pilot's post about World pretty much sums it up, I am a 4th year FO and I plan on staying here. Call me too optimistic, but I think this ship can be turned around. Besides, I like that I only fly 400ish hours a year and make decent money for an ACMI with a great group of guys and gals. With the home basing and extended periods of time off, I like the ACMI lifestyle and I am of the belief that the grass isn't necessarily greener at other airlines.

Just curious, what's the average for hours flown in a year @ FedEx?
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I've been at FedEx for 5 yrs and have a TOTAL of 600 hrs, enough vacation to have essentially 2 months off a year (soon to increase), a lucrative retirement plan, 1st....did I say 1st Class deadheads for any travel time over 5 hrs, and an hourly pay rate as an FO the same as a Kalitta 8 yr 747 Captain. I could go on and on.

Not one single pilot has left FedEx for any other company since I've been here. And the biggest thing of all.......what are the odds of your company being around 20yrs from now? What do you think the Vegas odds would be; (cargo company X vs. FedEx)?

I think a lot of guys on this board have some serious misconceptions about FedEx or they are trying to justify their choices to themselves.
 

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