Atlas/Southern/Kalitta > Fedex?

[altimaklr]

Once Fedex starts hiring in a month or so, will the ACMI's start hurting for pilots? It seems like the natural progression for a cargo guy. Even if you like your current place it's hard to turn down a 100% pay increase.

 

[Whine Lover]

Wow! 100% eh?

Although your post is obvious flame bait....can you show us the math on that one?

That would be interesting...

YKW

 

[propilot]

100% pay raise is a bit of a stretch... Most of the guys/gals at my company aren't interested. We/they enjoy the long periods of time off with one commute a month versus broken up into multiple commutes and multiple 3/4 day trips... It isn't always about the money... Will we lose some? Probably. Will there be a mad dash for the door, causing a collapse of the senority list? No...

 

[Victor Meldrew]

Totally not interested!! Take quite a pay cut, go to the bottom of the list for ever, fly with guy's complaining how bad life is - No you can keep it thanks.

 

[B747FR8DAWG]

I'm a lifer at Atlas, not going anywhere. Pay is decent, and will increase with new contract, fat profit sharing checks, new planes (747-400, -8s, possibly 767s), starting my 13th year, don't have to jumpseat to work, .........etc.

Not interested

 

[spitfire1500]

I'm a lifer at Atlas, not going anywhere. Pay is decent, and will increase with new contract, fat profit sharing checks, new planes (747-400, -8s, possibly 767s), starting my 13th year, don't have to jumpseat to work, .........etc.

Not interested

.....yea what he said!!!

 

[Whine Lover]

I'm on 1st year pay at Kalitta....I wouldn't even consider applying at FedEx.

YKW

 

[Palmtree Pilot]

100% pay raise is a bit of a stretch... Most of the guys/gals at my company aren't interested. We/they enjoy the long periods of time off with one commute a month versus broken up into multiple commutes and multiple 3/4 day trips... It isn't always about the money... Will we lose some? Probably. Will there be a mad dash for the door, causing a collapse of the senority list? No...

I don't know about that M. Between FedEx and SWA I know of 11 pilots that have applied to both, and I have only been on the line for one leg of OE since October 10th. Going on five years and the last two, since we were purchased by a hedge fund group, have really opened my eyes to World not being a 30 year career. The whole "World has been trying to go out of business for 62 years" thing doesn't apply to the new times of the World. They been F@cking us for 5 years now on profit sharing and if they don't get what they want out of us as an investment, we'll be dropped like a hot potato.

We're going to have to strike to get any improvement in the new contract and that will be really costly to the over all numbers. This is not a close nit company anymore that takes pride in our mission or the respect the name "World Airways" used to demand. We are at the mercy of Wall Street types that have no feelings of guilt to ruin peoples lives; They're only worried about numbers and the next gig that will pay them 6 million dollars a year.

Hell, our director of training left for SWA and he had a "cush" job/life down in PTC!!

All 12 day off lines on the 74, not enough pilots to fly either fleet, can't get training done on 74 because the checks have to fly the line, half the pilots can't fly the Jade contract and to make any money, you have to volunteer. I was naive when I came here. I knew guys and loved everything about the job; I wasn't paying close enough attention to the pay scales.

I can double my pay second year at FedEx and 3rd or 4th year at SWA working LESS. We don't get paid anything close to what we should be to fly wide bodies and commercial in coach all over the world for 18 days month. There is absolutely no doubt that FedEx and SWA provide more stability than any ACMI. That's just the way life is when your contracts could be gone at any time.

This is only my humble opinion, of course.

PtP

 

[propilot]

I hear what you're saying. But, unless everyone is hiding their intentions, which is understandable, I have flown with very few that are looking elsewhere. I'm looking, and applying, but we are young enough to make the jump. A lot of the guys don't want to start over again... Is the 74 side that disgruntled? I'm headed to school for it in May.

 

[altimaklr]

4th year FO pay vs. 2nd year pay at Fedex

Atlas: $95 x 62 hr: $5890
Kalitta $88 x 62 hr: $5456

Fedex 2nd year : $140 x 74 hours x 1.09% (pension) = $11292

 

[Talon757]

Nope, not moving. I have a job I like very much, a company run by folks who know how to make money, a paycheck that looks pretty good and a great bunch of folks to fly with. There's absolutely no reason to change. There's more to life than playing "how much money can you make".

 

[skypine69]

4th year FO pay vs. 2nd year pay at Fedex

Atlas: $95 x 62 hr: $5890
Kalitta $88 x 62 hr: $5456

Fedex 2nd year : $140 x 74 hours x 1.09% (pension) = $11292

i would have to look closer at the list, but i think most 4 year guys are captains at kalitta at about 130/hr. of course, the pension is not there, but really good flying, basically 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, no more commuting.

also looks like you pulled the WB pay, is that realistic at fedex right now? not sure...guessing you would have to go to hkg for that?

 

[tubineotter]

id like to work der but im not smart enough i aint got no college

 

[altimaklr]

It's ok, most people in Memphis don't even finish high school.

 

[Palmtree Pilot]

... There's more to life than playing "how much money can you make".

YOU are absolutely correct! Like hiking, mt. biking, golfing, spending time with family, flying a super cub, etc., etc. So if you can make as much or more money for spending less time on the road than you do now... I would say "absolutely no reason" is a bit too strong of a statement. Then again, Atlas is the place to be if you want to stay in the ACMI business.

Best of luck to all!

PtP

 

[atpcliff]

If you want to compare $, then u need to compare total compensation. You only took base at Atlas/Kalitta, and you added extra on to Fedex.....intentionally creating skewed numbers.

 

[Palmtree Pilot]

If you want to compare $, then u need to compare total compensation. You only took base at Atlas/Kalitta, and you added extra on to Fedex.....intentionally creating skewed numbers.

Atlas and Kalitta don't have either an A or B fund. FedEx has both and the A fund is paid at 1.09% (or maybe it's 2 according to APC).

Doesn't seem skewed to me.

Elaborate please.

By the way congrats on getting out of the big A and in with Atlas.

PtP

 

[Skippy]

Nice bonanza!

 

[tubineotter]

If you cant see that total compensation @ fed-ex or ups is better than any ACMI, you need to have you eyes examined. Total career earning are way better especially for the time you have to put in @ work to get said earning.

Now that being said depending on your age and QOL the switch may not be for everyone. But you can not argue the compensation package is any better @ any of the ACMI"s even Atlas.

And I can figure that out only having got my GED!

 

[bahumba]

If you cant see that total compensation @ fed-ex or ups is better than any ACMI, you need to have you eyes examined. Total career earning are way better especially for the time you have to put in @ work to get said earning.

Now that being said depending on your age and QOL the switch may not be for everyone. But you can not argue the compensation package is any better @ any of the ACMI"s even Atlas.

And I can figure that out only having got my GED!

Think you missed the point. No one is arguing that the ACMI carriers fall far short of FEDEX, merely that the ACMI carriers compensation is understated.