ATL and MSP

[SWA Bubba]

Aren't you code sharing with AT until SOC? They are cheaper thanks to your culture busting 2nd offer, and they are the ones that seem to know how to fly to those international destinations. Good luck with USair II.


Godspeed!


OYS

Alright, I'll bite. OYS, do you work for Delta or Airtran? The implication is Delta, but another Airtran dude said you were really a Airtran pilot. What gives? How about a little honesty. Is that too much to ask?

Bubba

 

[Sacha]

Sorry dude, but while I agree some of the SWA folks on here have made the UAL guys of the late 90's look humble, you and Fubi have stooped to the level of Sascha/flyvixen.

Sorry

Oh the horror! Compared to Fubi and I work for an airline that according to you doesn't have what it takes to be a "World-Class International Airline"

Thanks, but I'll take highest paid and profitable every year airline and you can have your position reports, mediocre pay, and record losses every 3rd year......

 

[Sacha]

I hope you didn't see bitching about the regionals in anything I said. The RJ pilot's are doing just as good a job as anyone else in this business. We are all paying the price for the greed, competitiveness and "warrior spirit" that has infected our profession. You guys are just doing the flying the Piedmont/Ozark/PSA/North Central/Frontier etc etc. use to do.

So was the "warrior spirit" comment another slam against SWA employees? So our loyalty to our company is supposed to be to blame for all that ailes the piloting profession? Really? This from a guy who used to work for "Peoples Express"? Just because you go to work and hate on your company and hate on your profession doesn't mean we all have to.

By the way, the original PSA, Piedmont and Frontier airlines were awesome places to work, and I doubt you found too many employees at those airlines who were just building time waiting to get hired at "Peoples Express". Your airline history revisionism and comparisons are laughable if not so sad....

 

[On Your Six]

Alright, I'll bite. OYS, do you work for Delta or Airtran? The implication is Delta, but another Airtran dude said you were really a Airtran pilot. What gives? How about a little honesty. Is that too much to ask?

Bubba

I have more than 4000 posts, and they started well before the SWA/AT merger. I am not an AT pilot. I know a couple Airtran guys though, so I am interested in the outcome of your ISL and contract. That is an honest reply, not an AT pilot.


Godspeed!


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

So was the "warrior spirit" comment another slam against SWA employees? So our loyalty to our company is supposed to be to blame for all that ailes the piloting profession? Really? This from a guy who used to work for "Peoples Express"? Just because you go to work and hate on your company and hate on your profession doesn't mean we all have to.

By the way, the original PSA, Piedmont and Frontier airlines were awesome places to work, and I doubt you found too many employees at those airlines who were just building time waiting to get hired at "Peoples Express". Your airline history revisionism and comparisons are laughable if not so sad....

You are old as dirt. Who did you date way back when? Orville or Wilbur?


Godspeed!


OYS

 

[Freebrd]

That is an honest reply, not an AT pilot.
Godspeed!OYS

honest as in JennyLeigh and/or OysYoYo reply

 

[Dan Roman]

So was the "warrior spirit" comment another slam against SWA employees? So our loyalty to our company is supposed to be to blame for all that ailes the piloting profession? Really? This from a guy who used to work for "Peoples Express"? Just because you go to work and hate on your company and hate on your profession doesn't mean we all have to.

By the way, the original PSA, Piedmont and Frontier airlines were awesome places to work, and I doubt you found too many employees at those airlines who were just building time waiting to get hired at "Peoples Express". Your airline history revisionism and comparisons are laughable if not so sad....

News flash dude, I thoroughly enjoy my job and so do most of my coworkers. You work for SWA and your bashing PEX? SWA is what PEX would have been had they had better management. A SWA guy bashing another LCC that didn't happen to make it is as bad the SWA guy who bashed a VA guy for working for low wages. Now that's laughable. That may go over your head too, but SWA established itself by having pilots work harder for much less pay, far enough, that's called competition. Just don't call out people doing what you did.

 

[IBNAV8R]

Simple fact is SWA no longer has the cost advantage it once had ( lower salaries than it's peers, paying less for fuel, and less head to head competition with higher cost airlines). You do have the one of the best corporate cultures in the industry.

WN still has a HUGE cost advantage - if they can keep it. They've only lost SOME of their advantage with fuel hedging and higher pilot wages. All factors being equal (labor cost, fuel, etc.) a company of happy people, with their fingers directly on the "efficiency and performance knobs" will kick the crap out of a company whose people don't give a damn anymore.

Unfortunately, most MBAs will never grasp that concept.

 

[777forever]

Did anyone see the USA TODAY article and graph today that showed how the majority of the flights at these two MAJOR airports are flown by regional jets!!!

Wow!! I wonder how whatever LEGACY that was allowed that to happen!!

Anyone know anything about this?

When the majority of those regional flights consists of going back and forth within 300nm of ATL 10 times a day(per aircraft not crew) of course the regionals are going to have more FLIGHTS. BLOCK HOUR-wise DAL mainline dominates ATL and MSP

 

[Flying the Line]

If you think ATL and MSP are bad then you should see SLC.

 

[canyonblue]

That may go over your head too, but SWA established itself by having pilots work harder for much less pay......

Tell me the year you started at your current airline, and I'll guarantee that a SWA pilot who started the same year has made much more than you have. It's ironic that so many "Legacy" pilots mention how those SWA guys never made real money, but you would be surprised at the amount of money these guys have as a net worth. A lot of Millionaires walking around the Concourse, looking for a free USAToday of course.

 

[Scoot 11]

Tell me the year you started at your current airline, and I'll guarantee that a SWA pilot who started the same year has made much more than you have. It's ironic that so many "Legacy" pilots mention how those SWA guys never made real money, but you would be surprised at the amount of money these guys have as a net worth. A lot of Millionaires walking around the Concourse, looking for a free USAToday of course.

I find it ironic that you small peckered guys talk about pay. Let me fill you in on something, it ain't all about pay dude! QOL. Days off. And if I gotta be away from the fam, I want to have a choice of where I'm flying to.
That, along with benefits, retirement, fun and choice of equipment.
SO you guys are the highest paid. BFD! How long do you think that will last? Your arrogance is only preceeded by your managements good business decisions, which are only as good as the current economic cycle.
Good luck to us all. We'll need it. Especially, considering airlines like Emirates and many other foreign airlines receive tax breaks, and subsidies from their government(s).
You're only as good as the next cheapest competition.

 

[GuppyWN]

I like guys that say they want to choose their destinations and equipment.

B.S.

You chase the $$ and that determines your equipment and destinations. THAT is why the widebody is always senior. Not because you're flying red-eyes across the pond for a 26 hour overnight.

Gup

 

[Scoot 11]

I like guys that say they want to choose their destinations and equipment.

B.S.

You chase the $$ and that determines your equipment and destinations. THAT is why the widebody is always senior. Not because you're flying red-eyes across the pond for a 26 hour overnight.

Gup

That's not always the case. Some of us like the choice.
I want to choose where I want to go. IF I gotta be away from my family, at least let me go where I want to go. I realize it's a job, so having control over it makes it a lot more fun. Its just one guys opinion.
I am really happy you guys have great pay. It helps in the fight to get better pay for the industry. That being said, you're still only as good or as bad as the next down cycle, as all of us are.

 

[SWA Bubba]

But wait...

how'd you know that CanyonBlue has a small pecker, Scoot? I thought that was a secret!

Sorry, couldn't resist. I'm bored on my overnight.

Bubba

 

[Scoot 11]

But wait...

how'd you know that CanyonBlue has a small pecker, Scoot? I thought that was a secret!

Sorry, couldn't resist. I'm bored on my overnight.

Bubba

Oh my! :blush:
I'm just giving the guy a hard time.
(and the door is open yet again):smash:

 

[Whataburger]

I forgot I started this thread.

 

[StopNTSing]

That's not always the case. Some of us like the choice.
I want to choose where I want to go. IF I gotta be away from my family, at least let me go where I want to go. I realize it's a job, so having control over it makes it a lot more fun. Its just one guys opinion.
I am really happy you guys have great pay. It helps in the fight to get better pay for the industry. That being said, you're still only as good or as bad as the next down cycle, as all of us are.

Welcome to FI. Now do a search for posts from General Lee (warning--he's got quite a few!) His all say pretty much the same things you've just said over...and over....and over

 

[Freebrd]

GL/Oys is a putz, so don't forget to add her "OysYoYo" posts too