ATL and MSP

[Whataburger]

Did anyone see the USA TODAY article and graph today that showed how the majority of the flights at these two MAJOR airports are flown by regional jets!!!

Wow!! I wonder how whatever LEGACY that was allowed that to happen!!

Anyone know anything about this?

 

[GuppyWN]

By Regional jets do you mean "mainline replacement jets?"

I've got nothing against RJ's taking mainline routes - as long as they are flown by the likes' of Delta, United and American.

That ******************** doesn't fly at Southwest Airlines.

Gup

 

[redflyer65]

It always interesting when you are number 20 for departure in those cities and 17 of those planes are Delta RJ's. Painful.

 

[Scoot 11]

Why are Southwest pilots so concerned about what goes on at Delta?
Penis envy much?:laugh:

 

[shagadelic]

Why are Southwest pilots so concerned about what goes on at Delta?
Penis envy much?:laugh:

Not at my pay rate.

 

[Freebrd]

ask Jenny Leigh/Oys-Yo-Yo, notice how neither one is posting lately

 

[Nevets]

By Regional jets do you mean "mainline replacement jets?"

I've got nothing against RJ's taking mainline routes - as long as they are flown by the likes' of Delta, United and American.

That ******************** doesn't fly at Southwest Airlines.

Gup

Does the SWAPA contract allow outsourcing mainline replacement jets on the Hawaii islands or the Caribbean?

 

[GuppyWN]

Does the SWAPA contract allow outsourcing mainline replacement jets on the Hawaii islands or the Caribbean?

Ok...... Well there is that!

We have NO DOMESTIC CODESHARE........... and I voted NO so I consider myself immune.

Gup

 

[On Your Six]

Did anyone see the USA TODAY article and graph today that showed how the majority of the flights at these two MAJOR airports are flown by regional jets!!!

Wow!! I wonder how whatever LEGACY that was allowed that to happen!!

Anyone know anything about this?

It used to be worse, but is actually getting better at both hubs. Look at Comair for example, which will be down to 44 total planes by next year. ASA has had to take planes out of ATL and put them to use for United at both ORD and IAD. All good news. But one thing that is good about the remainder of the feed is it helps keep you guys from expanding at those hubs too. No extra gates for you, unless you try to merge with the competition for big bucks and much "culture" disruption. What's the result? You get to be USair II with a couple more gates at the way out Humphries terminal in MSP, and you get to be a distant number two with about 1 terminal worth of gates at the World's busiest airport. Overall, you get strife and few short approaches. You lose.


Godspeed!


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

Ok...... Well there is that!

We have NO DOMESTIC CODESHARE........... and I voted NO so I consider myself immune.

Gup

Aren't you code sharing with AT until SOC? They are cheaper thanks to your culture busting 2nd offer, and they are the ones that seem to know how to fly to those international destinations. Good luck with USair II.


Godspeed!


OYS

 

[Dan Roman]

We are all in this business together, yet a significant percentage of us is somehow thinking throwing stones somehow makes them better?
To be clear, SWA is the airline that decided their International expansion would have to be done with Mexican flight crews south of the border and Canadian flight crews north of the border, all in 737's. Delta has a huge International presence that is fed by a very large domestic operation including mainline and yes a lot of RJ's crewed by equally competent pilots that also are making a living flying domestically.
I'm sure there is a pretty good chance that someday SWA will someday expand out of regional type flying (like AirTran did, I'm sure merging with them will help you ) but obviously you will never have have the kind of international presence that DAL does.
DAL is a very different operation than SWA, can't understand why you guys feel the need to compare yourselves to them? Be happy with what you got, in this business everything's changes.

 

[GuppyWN]

Wanna bet?

Gup

 

[Dan Roman]

Wanna bet?

Gup

That everything changes in this business? It's not if, just when. Unless if
SWA becomes the first corporation in history not to experience change.
Simple fact is SWA no longer has the cost advantage it once had ( lower salaries than it's peers, paying less for fuel, and less head to head competition with higher cost airlines). You do have the one of the best corporate cultures in the industry.
With the AirTran aquisistion the culture will even change, a conscious change accepted by "Gary" because it was the only way to expand in ATL. You have to wonder what other changes will happen?

BTW, please don't lump me in with OYS and Fubi, those guys have gone over the top.

 

[On Your Six]

Wanna bet?

Gup

Did you lose even one spot of seniority in this 2nd offer? If you did, GOOD. Yeah, it changes.


Godspeed Corndork!


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

That everything changes in this business? It's not if, just when. Unless if
SWA becomes the first corporation in history not to experience change.
Simple fact is SWA no longer has the cost advantage it once had ( lower salaries than it's peers, paying less for fuel, and less head to head competition with higher cost airlines). You do have the one of the best corporate cultures in the industry.
With the AirTran aquisistion the culture will even change, a conscious change accepted by "Gary" because it was the only way to expand in ATL. You have to wonder what other changes will happen?

BTW, please don't lump me in with OYS and Fubi, those guys have gone over the top.

Over the top? All in response to the overwhelming cockiness emanating from those Corndogs against the Airtran pilots. All for a good cause.


Godspeed!


OYS

 

[Dan Roman]

Wanna bet?

Gup

Or did you mean an International presence like DAL? Not possible for SWA because of the politics to get International routes, slot restrictions and the fact that SWA would have to completely reinvent itself to attract a significant amount of the international traveler. Right now SWA would be in the PeopleExpress (I worked there once!) or Laker Ballpark. It's a huge leap beyond that and would require buying UAL or DAL, something that is not an option for SWA, unless they want to become a large ALPA carrier!

 

[Dan Roman]

Over the top? All in response to the overwhelming cockiness emanating from those Corndogs against the Airtran pilots. All for a good cause.


Godspeed!


OYS

Sorry dude, but while I agree some of the SWA folks on here have made the UAL guys of the late 90's look humble, you and Fubi have stooped to the level of Sascha/flyvixen.

Sorry

 

[Dan Roman]

Sorry dude, but while I agree some of the SWA folks on here have made the UAL guys of the late 90's look humble, you and Fubi have stooped to the level of Sascha/flyvixen.

Sorry

OK I just read hey trannies and your not as bad as Sascha, he needs help.

 

[pkunzip66]

bitching about the regionals?! I am only playing the game that the majors invented (whether directly or indirectly by the pilots). More then anything I would love to be at a major, so I wouldn't have to climb one ladder and start all over at the next one and the next and the next and the next, etc, etc, etc. This is the only industry in the world that when you switch jobs, you start at the bottom with a HUGE pay cut. I could be a McDonalds manager and make 40K while switching to Burger King and make the same or close to.

And no, I don't wanna go become a manager at a restaurant/fast food joint, before anybody wants to twist my words around. Just giving an example.

 

[Dan Roman]

bitching about the regionals?! I am only playing the game that the majors invented (whether directly or indirectly by the pilots). More then anything I would love to be at a major, so I wouldn't have to climb one ladder and start all over at the next one and the next and the next and the next, etc, etc, etc. This is the only industry in the world that when you switch jobs, you start at the bottom with a HUGE pay cut. I could be a McDonalds manager and make 40K while switching to Burger King and make the same or close to.

And no, I don't wanna go become a manager at a restaurant/fast food joint, before anybody wants to twist my words around. Just giving an example.

I hope you didn't see bitching about the regionals in anything I said. The RJ pilot's are doing just as good a job as anyone else in this business. We are all paying the price for the greed, competitiveness and "warrior spirit" that has infected our profession. You guys are just doing the flying the Piedmont/Ozark/PSA/North Central/Frontier etc etc. use to do.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Aren't you code sharing with AT until SOC? They are cheaper thanks to your culture busting 2nd offer, and they are the ones that seem to know how to fly to those international destinations. Good luck with USair II.


Godspeed!


OYS

Alright, I'll bite. OYS, do you work for Delta or Airtran? The implication is Delta, but another Airtran dude said you were really a Airtran pilot. What gives? How about a little honesty. Is that too much to ask?

Bubba

 

[Sacha]

Sorry dude, but while I agree some of the SWA folks on here have made the UAL guys of the late 90's look humble, you and Fubi have stooped to the level of Sascha/flyvixen.

Sorry

Oh the horror! Compared to Fubi and I work for an airline that according to you doesn't have what it takes to be a "World-Class International Airline"

Thanks, but I'll take highest paid and profitable every year airline and you can have your position reports, mediocre pay, and record losses every 3rd year......

 

[Sacha]

I hope you didn't see bitching about the regionals in anything I said. The RJ pilot's are doing just as good a job as anyone else in this business. We are all paying the price for the greed, competitiveness and "warrior spirit" that has infected our profession. You guys are just doing the flying the Piedmont/Ozark/PSA/North Central/Frontier etc etc. use to do.

So was the "warrior spirit" comment another slam against SWA employees? So our loyalty to our company is supposed to be to blame for all that ailes the piloting profession? Really? This from a guy who used to work for "Peoples Express"? Just because you go to work and hate on your company and hate on your profession doesn't mean we all have to.

By the way, the original PSA, Piedmont and Frontier airlines were awesome places to work, and I doubt you found too many employees at those airlines who were just building time waiting to get hired at "Peoples Express". Your airline history revisionism and comparisons are laughable if not so sad....

 

[On Your Six]

Alright, I'll bite. OYS, do you work for Delta or Airtran? The implication is Delta, but another Airtran dude said you were really a Airtran pilot. What gives? How about a little honesty. Is that too much to ask?

Bubba

I have more than 4000 posts, and they started well before the SWA/AT merger. I am not an AT pilot. I know a couple Airtran guys though, so I am interested in the outcome of your ISL and contract. That is an honest reply, not an AT pilot.


Godspeed!


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

So was the "warrior spirit" comment another slam against SWA employees? So our loyalty to our company is supposed to be to blame for all that ailes the piloting profession? Really? This from a guy who used to work for "Peoples Express"? Just because you go to work and hate on your company and hate on your profession doesn't mean we all have to.

By the way, the original PSA, Piedmont and Frontier airlines were awesome places to work, and I doubt you found too many employees at those airlines who were just building time waiting to get hired at "Peoples Express". Your airline history revisionism and comparisons are laughable if not so sad....

You are old as dirt. Who did you date way back when? Orville or Wilbur?


Godspeed!


OYS

 

[Freebrd]

That is an honest reply, not an AT pilot.
Godspeed!OYS

honest as in JennyLeigh and/or OysYoYo reply

 

[Dan Roman]

So was the "warrior spirit" comment another slam against SWA employees? So our loyalty to our company is supposed to be to blame for all that ailes the piloting profession? Really? This from a guy who used to work for "Peoples Express"? Just because you go to work and hate on your company and hate on your profession doesn't mean we all have to.

By the way, the original PSA, Piedmont and Frontier airlines were awesome places to work, and I doubt you found too many employees at those airlines who were just building time waiting to get hired at "Peoples Express". Your airline history revisionism and comparisons are laughable if not so sad....

News flash dude, I thoroughly enjoy my job and so do most of my coworkers. You work for SWA and your bashing PEX? SWA is what PEX would have been had they had better management. A SWA guy bashing another LCC that didn't happen to make it is as bad the SWA guy who bashed a VA guy for working for low wages. Now that's laughable. That may go over your head too, but SWA established itself by having pilots work harder for much less pay, far enough, that's called competition. Just don't call out people doing what you did.

 

[IBNAV8R]

Simple fact is SWA no longer has the cost advantage it once had ( lower salaries than it's peers, paying less for fuel, and less head to head competition with higher cost airlines). You do have the one of the best corporate cultures in the industry.

WN still has a HUGE cost advantage - if they can keep it. They've only lost SOME of their advantage with fuel hedging and higher pilot wages. All factors being equal (labor cost, fuel, etc.) a company of happy people, with their fingers directly on the "efficiency and performance knobs" will kick the crap out of a company whose people don't give a damn anymore.

Unfortunately, most MBAs will never grasp that concept.

 

[777forever]

Did anyone see the USA TODAY article and graph today that showed how the majority of the flights at these two MAJOR airports are flown by regional jets!!!

Wow!! I wonder how whatever LEGACY that was allowed that to happen!!

Anyone know anything about this?

When the majority of those regional flights consists of going back and forth within 300nm of ATL 10 times a day(per aircraft not crew) of course the regionals are going to have more FLIGHTS. BLOCK HOUR-wise DAL mainline dominates ATL and MSP

 

[Flying the Line]

If you think ATL and MSP are bad then you should see SLC.