"ATC explain yourself, over"

[81Horse]

We need Reagan to slap the big egos down again!

You know, I'm a Reagan "slap-ee" -- and even I think you're an idiot.

 

[gkrangers]

You know, I'm a Reagan "slap-ee" -- and even I think you're an idiot.

Pilots..not only our own worst enemy, but everyone elses too.

 

[Big Beer Belly]

You know, I'm a Reagan "slap-ee" -- and even I think you're an idiot.

Let's see ... we have a thing called a LAW. You knew it before you became a controller. It said you cannot shut down the entire US air system because you didn't get your way in contract talks (i.e., you cannot have a nationwide temper tantrum and hold the country hostage). Reagan warned you... you puffed out your chests and the rest is history.

You made a foolish decision. Be a man and own up to it.

BBB

 

[81Horse]

Be a man and own up to it.

I am. I do. I have -- for a very long time.

Now, you be a man, and quit dissin' our compadres on the other end of the microphone; they're doing the best they can with what they've got to work with (including way, way more bonehead pilots than there used to be). As far as I can tell, the job hasn't improved in the last 25 years.

And BTW, I didn't make a foolish decision. I knew what I was doing.

 

[Big Beer Belly]

And BTW, I didn't make a foolish decision. I knew what I was doing.

If it wasn't foolish, then what did you gain? You said you knew what you were doing ... what exactly WERE you doing then? Quitting your job while under a spotlight? What exactly did you gain? What did you prove? Should the US public be sympathetic to your extortionist plight? I'm glad you had your arses handed to you ... talk about out of control egos!

BBB

 

[gkrangers]

If it wasn't foolish, then what did you gain? You said you knew what you were doing ... what exactly WERE you doing then? Quitting your job while under a spotlight? What exactly did you gain? What did you prove? Should the US public be sympathetic to your extortionist plight? I'm glad you had your arses handed to you ... talk about out of control egos!

BBB

Military? You are just pissed Uncle Sam signs fatter checks for the guys behind the scope....

 

[Big Beer Belly]

Military? You are just pissed Uncle Sam signs fatter checks for the guys behind the scope....

Military? I'm a 121 captain at one of the highest paying airlines... try again little man.

A law was in place. You broke it. You had a "hissy-fit" then and now because your HUGE EGO believes you are ABOVE the law!

You made a foolish, huge-ego, poor decision. End of story.

BBB

 

[gkrangers]

Military? I'm a 121 captain at one of the highest paying airlines... try again little man.

A law was in place. You broke it. You had a "hissy-fit" then and now because your HUGE EGO believes you are ABOVE the law!

You made a foolish, huge-ego, poor decision. End of story.

BBB

Profile, but besides that, it was a shot in the dark at being intentionally inflammatory.

You sound like one of those bend over and like it types tho.

 

[Big Beer Belly]

Profile, but besides that, it was a shot in the dark at being intentionally inflammatory.

You sound like one of those bend over and like it types tho.

Now you're sounding homosexual... I'm out of here. Hope you're making better decisions these days with that big ego.

BBB

 

[unreal]

BBB, the only person around here that seems to have an oversized ego is you. Just food for thought.

Oh, and yes, I have been told in how many miles I can expect a turn. Here in Socal on a vector to an ILS, I recall being told that I'd be turned back towards the localizer in such-and-such miles.

 

[Hold West]

Hey boy wonder behind the scope... how many years have you put in serving your country? Oh never mind ... you wouldn't have a clue what our fine young military men/women do every day in the service of this great country. Hint: it involves a hell of a lot more RISK than falling off your ATC stool!

BBB

Ah, insult, the last refuge of the huge ego that is inflated only by vacuum. You have no intellectual reply to what I've said, so you'll just get angry.

Have I served the country in uniform? Yes. Peacetime Army, and I was a total REMF at that, but proud of it, and I never pass myself off as anything else. As for you, your profile says military, and now you want us to believe you're an airline captain. Fine - but don't bloviate about your service to your country from your air conditioned cockpit at 35,000 feet. Pin some crossed rifles on your collar, or maybe a globe & anchor on your blouse and we'll talk. Til then, you're just a glorified bus driver - which makes me nothing but the traffic cop on the corner chewing on a donut, but then I'm not pretending to be the Greatest American Hero.

Now, to put this back into some sembance of relation to the topic under discussion, my answers are not just academic. They are how I operate all day every day. They represent how I train people, and how I was trained. Maybe I am getting hung up on a turn of phrase here, but "what's my sequence" equates for most of us to a simple "number 4" or whatever type of answer. I am saying I owe you more than that, real information that will tell you what to expect in terms far better than a curt "number 3" will. Everyone seems to be disagreeing with me, but I'll keep telling people that ask exactly what they can expect in a meaningful format.

 

[GravityHater]

I thank all for the intelligent input, I have learned lots.

 

[Hold West]

Be a man and own up to it.

It took me near 20 years to figure it out, but the Reagan "Slap-ees" were being men, the day they walked out the door. They stood up for what they believed in, and laid it all on the line. As a result they individually lost, big time - but many of the things they were asking for, major safety improvements, modern personnel practices, were put in place.

I work with a number of graduates of the class of '81, and have met quite a few others. Not a one whines about what happened to them. They were, and are, men (and women!) in the best sense of the word.

Apologies for further thread drift, but I couldn't let that slide by.

 

[Say Again Over]

2 cents

Lots of good comments here, I personally have a hard time swallowing the dribble about "planning the minimum fuel approach", luckily by using the TCAS I can usually guess where my base leg will be most of the time, if they turn me while I'm high it's time to do some of that pilot stuff. Everyone has their own way of doing things and different circumstances exist at different airports but I will only enquirer about sequence when the holding starts.

 

[traffic pilot]

hey center controllers we're coming down the east coast to mco and we want to cut the corner to orm way up in washington centers airspace we know there are warning areas and you know there are warning areas we know jax center knows if they are active what kind of coordination does it take for a washington center guy to find out whether we can cut across and go direct