ATC and Wx Below Mins

[rubicon789]

Do freight dogs have mins? :nuts:
Don't ask ATC for weather till after you cross the FAF, then you can legally shoot the approach no matter what the WX.

 

[A Squared]

Well, im not gonna argue a FAF for an ILS....that is not relavent in this case.....

Actually, it is relevant, that's the issue at hand. Mini was suggesting that there would be a benefit to giving an higher intercept altitude bacause you would intercept the g/s sooner, therefore be inside the FAF sooner, in case wx deteriorates.

The only problem with that theory is that, as Flyboyphil pointed out, it's not considered the FAF unless you're at the gs intercept altitude specified on the IAP.

 

[minitour]

Actually, it is relevant, that's the issue at hand. Mini was suggesting that there would be a benefit to giving an higher intercept altitude bacause you would intercept the g/s sooner, therefore be inside the FAF sooner, in case wx deteriorates.

The only problem with that theory is that, as Flyboyphil pointed out, it's not considered the FAF unless you're at the gs intercept altitude specified on the IAP.

That's the part I was missing...which clears it all up.

Thanks!

-mini

 

[Gemboy75]

I don't believe you can land regardless of inside or ouside the FAF part 91 or otherwise.

We all know the requirements to leave DH or MDA and required flight visibility is listed.

AD 97-1A states that RVR is controlling to flight visibility and therefore regardless of your position on the approach if you land and you were notified that RVR was below your mins for your specific catagory of approach, well the way I read it you've just violated an FAR.

Just joined up glad to see ATC folk use this page!

 

[minitour]

I don't believe you can land regardless of inside or ouside the FAF part 91 or otherwise.

Land, no...you've got to have the visibility required by the approach.

But to shoot the approach is where the weather can get you pt 121 or 135.

Part 91, if it's 0/0 you can shoot the ILS all you want...but if you don't have the required vis. you can't land.

Pt 135/121, you can't start the approach if it's below minimums (vis/rvr) but...if you've started the approach and passed the FAF before weather goes below minimums, you can continue...and land if you've got the required visibility at landing.

-mini

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

well, the controller is required to tell you RVR for the rwy if it is reported at less the 6000 on the RVR meeter or vis is less then 1mile....why not just call up tower on the approach and then tell them you don't want to hear what RVR is until your established......they will comply, they don't care, as long as the read it before you hit the pavement

 

[rubicon789]

why not just call up tower on the approach and then tell them you don't want to hear what RVR is until your established

Why say more than you need to?