ATA to wet lease scheduled airline to SWA?

[atafan]

This is to SWA pilots.

We've been hearing this rumor, a lot.

Effective about mid March. ATA will cease scheduled service as ATA Airlines and begin wet leasing our scheduled service aircraft to SWA. SWA will begin to service international destinations as Southwest Airlines with SWA painted airplanes with operated by ATA Airlines painted near the entry door.

Again, this is only a rumor but it seems to have some legs to it.

 

[Lear70]

This is to SWA pilots.

We've been hearing this rumor, a lot.

Effective about mid March. ATA will seize scheduled service as ATA Airlines and begin wet leasing our scheduled service aircraft to SWA. SWA will begin to service international destinations as Southwest Airlines with SWA painted airplanes with operated by ATA Airlines painted near the entry door.

Again, this is only a rumor but it seems to have some legs to it.

You mean "cease", instead of "seize", right?

Kinda changes the intent, but I see what you meant to say... not that I agree with the rumor, but it's not completely beyond the realm of possibility.

 

[roughneck]

Gary Kelly has said publicly that he will honor the TA'd portions of our contract. He has made mistakes as our CEO, but I seriously doubt he would go back on his word regarding this issue. It would be the end of his tenure as CEO after the meltdown that would follow.

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EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: SECTION 1 – PURPOSE OF AGREEMENT​

The Negotiating Committee and the Company recently reached a Tentative Agreement (TA) on Section 1, Purpose of Agreement. Last week, during a three day session, the Negotiating Committee briefed the SWAPA Board of Directors in great detail and answered all questions regarding the agreement on Section 1. The Board concluded that Section 1 objectives had been met and unanimously endorsed the agreement.
Section 1 language was strengthened in virtually every area. Specifically, the agreement contains significant improvements and protections for the pilot group in the event the Company wishes to expand its network through codeshare and/or marketing agreements. Several improvements to merger, acquisition and successorship language were also realized.
Tentatively Negotiated Changes to Section 1

Scope

• Expanded the overall scope of the contract to capture all of the work done by pilots on the seniority list
• Preserved the positive public association with the valuable SWA brand by allowing only SWAPA pilots to fly SWA aircraft

Recognition

• Protected pilot job security in the event of any transfer of control – voluntary or involuntary
• Received commitment from SWA to make this Collective Bargaining Agreement a condition of any sale in order to protect pilot jobs and wages as negotiated

Merger

• Protected pilot jobs in the event of a merger
• Protected SWAPA pilots’ seniority through a fair and equitable pilot seniority integration system in the event of a merger that includes new pilots
• Removed ambiguity in current language so no successor has leverage to change terms of employment previously negotiated by SWAPA
• Prohibited creation of an affiliate, new airline or subsidiary, or acquisition of a controlling interest in any carrier unless all flying is performed by SWAPA pilots (i.e. avoided creation alter-ego carrier)
• Required reasonable, advance notice and details of any material agreements to SWAPA

Sub-Contracting

• Prohibited SWA from sub-contracting revenue flying.
• Protected against wet-leases

Purchase or Acquisition of Another Company

• Required reasonable, advance notice and details of any material agreements to SWAPA
• Protected pay rates, rules and working conditions from being renegotiated in the event of a purchase
• If pilots are acquired through the purchase of another airline, empowered SWAPA to integrate pilots into the seniority list

Codesharing

• Verified and expanded terms of SWA’s commitment to grow the airline and the Pilot Seniority List
• Expanded Side Letter 32 protections to properly coordinate with remainder of new Scope proposals
• Clearly defined purpose of codesharing; specifically focused on SWA growth and feeder operations
• Defined codeshare transaction to always include at least one flight segment on SWA
• Protected SWA brand identity in relation to codeshare relationships
• Secured Regional Jet (RJ) codeshare protections

Cabotage

• Incorporated cabotage language in CBA, to avoid leaving protections solely to federal regulations
• Prohibited use of SWA code on flights of foreign carriers carrying local revenue passengers or cargo traffic between airports within the U.S.

Foreign Domiciles

• Addressed conditions surrounding foreign domiciles in relation to bidding, relocation expenses and other working conditions

Re-Opener

• Updated language to specify and limit terms for which this CBA may be reopened

Amendments to Agreement

• Future amendments to the agreement will be automatically integrated into an electronic version of the Collective Bargaining Agreement

Definitions

• Added definitions to clarify terms specific to Section 1 of the CBA

 

[roughneck]

Stranger things have happend, but I think if this were to happen it would be a deal between SWA and SWAPA.

SWA: We want to buy ATA's scheduled service, but can't get everyone up to speed in time, can we wet lease?

SWAPA: Sure, you have 90 days to wet lease. Do you want us to put out the upgrade roster, or will yall be calling everyone for upgrade?

 

[jke406]

Gary Kelly has said publicly that he will honor the TA'd portions of our contract. He has made mistakes as our CEO, but I seriously doubt he would go back on his word regarding this issue.

Hey, don't convince us....convince yourself.

 

[roughneck]

You are right, we will see who is in better shape at the end of the day.

 

[skiandsurf]

Does this that the SWA pilots will have to go buy a 757 type ratings to keep their jobs?


or

New SWA hiring requirements to include both a 737 and a 757 type ratings. Thats going to get expensive.

 

[Lear70]

Does this mean that the SWA pilots will have to go buy a 757 type ratings to keep their jobs?


or

New SWA hiring requirements to include both a 737 and a 757 type ratings. Thats going to get expensive.

*snicker*

 

[StopNTSing]

Never mind what's in the TA, even our current scope language would not allow this.

 

[StopNTSing]

Does this that the SWA pilots will have to go buy a 757 type ratings to keep their jobs?


or

New SWA hiring requirements to include both a 737 and a 757 type ratings. Thats going to get expensive.

Yah, that's exactly what it means. You funny-funny guy...