ATA - Any News?

[Jim Smyth]

I also heard on my last trip that the ATA guys that get the furlough letter can get an interview ASAP. SWA making good just like they did when my company (Orginal Midway) went out of business in 1991. I am also sorry to hear about the Chicago Express deadline. I have a few friends over there too and wish them the best. With the experiance they have working out of Midway, we would be foolish not to give them an opportunaty to interview.

 

[bruce]

Thanks Jim. I think you guys at SWA are next to none. I know everyone at C8 appreciates your very kind words.

 

[Angus]

Anus,

I think your post says it all brother. You seem to lack some character. I don't think there was a thing said about one Airtran pilot when all this stuff was going down. The fact is that Airtran (not the pilots) sent down a low level HR chick to collect resumes with a fake smile. SWA is scheduling interviews for our furloughed pilots. I think you need to take a deep breath and ask yourself how you would react in a similar situation with your beloved Airtran? Would you be as spineless and clueless as your post indicates?

Flyfart,

First off lets establish that I'm not your "brother". As far as character, you couldn't possibly judge my character from my post. If stating fact is a character flaw, then I would suggest you examine closely your own "character".

Lets talk facts. Your whole post is derived from your erroneous point that I will quote again: "I don't think there was a thing said about one Airtran pilot when all this stuff was going down." Since this is the basis for your agument, then I guess we have nothing to discuss... because YOU obviously haven't bothered to even attempt to check your facts. I direct your attention to the flightinfo search function..... that is IF you choose to debate facts....... and not show your apparent emotional immaturity.

For the rest of you following the thread... I don't have any stake in this. I left the airlines in the 1980's and never bothered to go back. It was a a league of backstabbing whores then... and I see nothing has changed now.

My point was/is that some of the ATA Pilots on these forums were posting personal attacks (unwarranted IMO) on Airtran and their Pilots, and now that the end result for you is the SAME with Southwest calling the shots.... you all roll over and act like a $10.00 hooker.

 

[TZFO]

So some (1 or 2) of our pilots make attacks and you trash our whole pilot group?
To celebrate up to 1100 pilots loosing their job is truely unbelievable.
I'm sorry you couldn't hack airline life. It's truely a great industry, although tough at times, and thankfully thru refined interview processes, only a few folks like you make it into major airline cockpits.

 

[saabcaptain]

Chicago Express is not ATA Mainline. As far as I've heard,you guys (C8), have no rights to the preferential interviews that SWAhas offered ATA mainline pilots. Maybe SWA will pony up and offer yourguys a shot...they'd get some great people. Good luck to youall.

i never implied that, ATA guys get the pref inteviews, and ARE gettingthe interviews. that said SWA has and always did interview and acceptC8 guys, I am one of several hired at SWA just this year alone.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Flyfart,

First off lets establish that I'm not your "brother". As far as character, you couldn't possibly judge my character from my post. If stating fact is a character flaw, then I would suggest you examine closely your own "character".

Lets talk facts. Your whole post is derived from your erroneous point that I will quote again: "I don't think there was a thing said about one Airtran pilot when all this stuff was going down." Since this is the basis for your agument, then I guess we have nothing to discuss... because YOU obviously haven't bothered to even attempt to check your facts. I direct your attention to the flightinfo search function..... that is IF you choose to debate facts....... and not show your apparent emotional immaturity.

For the rest of you following the thread... I don't have any stake in this. I left the airlines in the 1980's and never bothered to go back. It was a a league of backstabbing whores then... and I see nothing has changed now.

My point was/is that some of the ATA Pilots on these forums were posting personal attacks (unwarranted IMO) on Airtran and their Pilots, and now that the end result for you is the SAME with Southwest calling the shots.... you all roll over and act like a $10.00 hooker.

C'mon children get a f ukin grip!!! These good folk were led to believe that their savior was SWA when in fact it really was not. True SWA made an outstanding business move for themselves locking up midway and George M. at ATA made mega millions on that deal, this is why he was so opposed to us here at AWA taking ATA. There are soon to be another 600 to 700 pilots out of work and you guys are b itchin about what if's with Airtran!!!! Show some f uckin compasion for your fellow aviator brothers and sisters.

Sorry Mark (webmaster) about all of the cursing but I lost it again!!!

WD

 

[flyhard]

For the rest of you following the thread... I don't have any stake in this. I left the airlines in the 1980's and never bothered to go back. It was a a league of backstabbing whores then... and I see nothing has changed now.

I see that you have learned little from your 1980 days. Like TZ said we had a couple of guys at ATA (or claiming so) making ridiculous remarks on this forum. I don't think you can classify the whole group like that. You obviously don't know the pilot group at ATA or you would not make a post like you did. Kind of like I don't hold anything against Airtran pilots because of clowns like you. I have been treated great on every jumpseat.

 

[Angus]

I see that you have learned little from your 1980 days. Like TZ said we had a couple of guys at ATA (or claiming so) making ridiculous remarks on this forum. I don't think you can classify the whole group like that. You obviously don't know the pilot group at ATA or you would not make a post like you did. Kind of like I don't hold anything against Airtran pilots because of clowns like you. I have been treated great on every jumpseat.

So some (1 or 2) of our pilots make attacks and you trash our whole pilot group? To celebrate up to 1100 pilots loosing their job is truely unbelievable. I'm sorry you couldn't hack airline life. It's truely a great industry, although tough at times, and thankfully thru refined interview processes, only a few folks like you make it into major airline cockpits.

You two are certainly poster children for the reading impaired. Its almost comical reading your quotes. I would like either one of you to please show me where I classified the "whole ATA Pilot group". Also please show me "celebrating 1100 Pilots losing their jobs". And make sure you highlight these supposed quotes that you attribute to me....and post them right here...... when you "find" them.

Since you both are way too spastic to hit the reply feature and post B.S. without actually READING my posts, and without verifying my point, I will once again reiterate my priginal point: Since Southwest assumed the lead role in the ATA bankruptcy, many very unfortunate events have unfolded for the ATA Pilot group. During this time... on these forums.... NOT ONE of the ATA Pilots who were so vocally protesting their anger at Airtran AND its Pilots, have come on here and said ONE thing about Southwest or its Pilots.... despite of the fact the EXACT same end result is now happening with Southwest in control of ATA.

Finally.... what I find very distubing is the quote from TZFO about me not "hacking" it in this industry. I couldn't "hack" it because I refused to be a scab. The fact that you associate a negative "not being able to hack it" because I chose not to scab at my airline, substantiates my point about hookers, whores and backstabbers in this industry. Based on your post..... apparently you fall (or would fall) into that catagory. That is why I never returned to Part 121 flying, and have never looked back.

 

[TZFO]

As for being a whore in my industry, last time I checked ATA is the, or one of the, only major to shoot down, 80/20, a major concessionary package. I think we did the industry a favor.
As for the "refusing to scab" thing, thats expected. Many of those who refused to scab stuck with it and have done pretty well.

 

[flyhard]

couldn't "hack" it because I refused to be a scab

Wow how noble of you. That makes you one out of a million.

The fact that you associate a negative "not being able to hack it" because I chose not to scab at my airline, substantiates my point about hookers, whores and backstabbers in this industry. Based on your post..... apparently you fall (or would fall) into that catagory.

What was your BS post about personal attacks?

That is why I never returned to Part 121 flying, and have never looked back.

And a quitter too.

 

[Angus]

couldn't "hack" it because I refused to be a scab

Wow how noble of you. That makes you one out of a million.

The fact that you associate a negative "not being able to hack it" because I chose not to scab at my airline, substantiates my point about hookers, whores and backstabbers in this industry. Based on your post..... apparently you fall (or would fall) into that catagory.

What was your BS post about personal attacks?

That is why I never returned to Part 121 flying, and have never looked back.

And a quitter too.

I see that you'd rather be labelled a "scab" than labelled a "quitter".... how precious and "NOBLE" of you as well.... Then again I guess there are a few of your types at all airlines... including ATA.

Once again I must point out that it is YOU and YOUR scab or scab lover attitude that makes the 121 profession a P.O.S. industry. Judging by the stance you've decided to take here on these forums... at least we know that you'd scab (or have already scabbed) rather than be labelled a quitter...

What is readily apparent here is several issues:

1. You have yet to post my supposed comments where I "class the ATA Pilot group as a whole" that you attributed to me. How about it??

2. You have yet to defend my one and ONLY original point about the sudden "two faced" amnesia mentality of the flightinfo member ATA Pilots that were all up in arms about Airtran..... remember.... "Airtran Pilots were stealing their jobs"... remember that??

Oh thats right... I forgot.... you're not interested in debating facts on these forums. You're only interested in defending scabs because at least they weren't "quitters"...!!

Just keep on blowing that scablover defending mentality smokescreen.....

 

[Double Shot]

Angus,


Was it CAl, United, or Eastern? Or somewhere else...Just wondering.

 

[Angus]

Angus,


Was it CAl, United, or Eastern? Or somewhere else...Just wondering.

It was the second one.

BTW - To the Southwest Pilots on these forums... I have absolutely no problem with you all about this. I don't have a problem with the ATA Pilots either.

My point was.... (and for some reason these couple of "posers" that are arguing here can't grasp) is I remember (and can reference) reading the pages and pages of posts from some ATA Pilots on these foums bashing, and knocking and taking B.S. shots directly at Airtran and its Pilots for their attempt to take over MDW. They talked about "Airtran Pilots stealing their jobs".... "advancing their careers at the expense of the ATA Pilots"... "licking their chops to replace them"..." not giving them a Airtran seniority number"... blah... blah...blah.

Now that Southwest has taken over... and the end result is the EXACT SAME.... where is all the animosity toward all the resulting Southwest growth from these same flightinfo ATA Pilots?

I would just like to hear from these Clowns now. If you want to be all big and bad, and come here and post your sh!t.... then how about a little integrity.. or at least consistency?

Now I have these two flightinfo morons bashing me from walking away from a scab airline..... and I have to defend that?!?! Isn't ATA Alpa?? WTF!

 

[Ty Webb]

Anus,

I think your post says it all brother. You seem to lack some character. I don't think there was a thing said about one Airtran pilot when all this stuff was going down.

Then you must suffer from short-term memory loss. Plenty was said by your illustrious co-workers. Do a search. . . . there's enough there to keep you reading all night.

The fact is that Airtran (not the pilots) sent down a low level HR chick to collect resumes with a fake smile.

I don't know who "they" sent, but we don't have many "low-level" HR people. They all pretty much do the same job. What did you expect, an interview on the spot?

Maybe the person you perceived to be a "low-level chick" was a little more plugged in then you gave her credit for, and sounds like she sized you up pretty quickly.

 

[flyhard]

It was the second one

Walked away from Ual or asked to walk away? I smell BS. The fact is that I would not be old enough to be a scab anywhere....sorry. I also don't plan on ruining my career by being one in the near future. While we are on the scab topic. Why don't we compare Airtrans with ATA's names on seniority lists. I would think there would be far more scabs over there than at ATA. Heck lets compare it with even SWA and see how many are over there as well. I realize you are old and grumpy, but come on. By the way what constitutes a scab airline?

Ty,

Thanks for another great post.

 

[atafan]

That is why I never returned to Part 121 flying, and have never looked back.

Angus, Is that why you hang out on an Airline Interview Board?

You couldn't tell the truth if it bit you. Be honest, you scabbed Eastern and that's why you can't get a flying job.

 

[Angus]

Walked away from Ual or asked to walk away? I smell BS. The fact is that I would not be old enough to be a scab anywhere....sorry. I also don't plan on ruining my career by being one in the near future. While we are on the scab topic. Why don't we compare Airtrans with ATA's names on seniority lists. I would think there would be far more scabs over there than at ATA. Heck lets compare it with even SWA and see how many are over there as well. I realize you are old and grumpy, but come on. By the way what constitutes a scab airline?

An airline that employs scabs... is that too hard for you to understand?

Angus, Is that why you hang out on an Airline Interview Board? You couldn't tell the truth if it bit you. Be honest, you scabbed Eastern and that's why you can't get a flying job.

I hang out here because there isn't a "Bankrupt Low Cost Carrier" forum.


Talk about a Love Connection. We should hook you two up on a date. You both have alot of things to talk about and reconcile. One of you states that there are airlines out there filled with scabs... and the other talks about the inability to get a flying job by being a scab. I guess when you're a young inexperienced punk at a bankrupt carrier.... its more fun to re-write history, and just make things up about things you know nothing about.

You both certainly don't know anything about airline career choices... do you? You both also have the inability to squeeze out even the smallest amount of integrity and address the assinine posts from the ATA Pilots on these forums a few weeks ago during the ATA rescue mission attempt by Southwest and Airtran. Quite frankly I'm surprised Southwest was even interested in ATA... and Airtran... well they obviously hold no clout in the 121 industry.

I already stated what airline I walked away from during a strike... and since you want me to be honest... well here is the truth: you both were still sh1tting in your diapers when I was flying at a Major for a living. Here is another truth; I'm making more money flying Part 91 for a Fortune 100 Company than either one of you two geniuses flying the "heavy iron".

I guess I'm still smarter than both of you twerps. I certainly have more integrity. Hows that for "honesty".

 

[HarleyGuy]

Here's a big difference: Airtran offered MDW non-pilot employeesinterviews. SWA is offering EVERY furloughed pilot an interview.Airtran wanted some gates and routes. That's it. SWA not only seems towant ATA to survive (in spite of ATA mgt, some would say) but now theyhave a financial stake in that survival. Apples and oranges. Notbashing Airtran, they're free to make a business offer. But no one candeny that SWA's seems much less cold. Repeat: not bashing Airtran, buttrying to point out one more reason to think well of SWA.

JMHO

ps- clarification: SWA may only be interested in ATA surviving to servecities that SWA does not, but it would be better for ATA to end upserving only those 7 or 8 cities than being history altogether. Again, jmho.

 

[Angus]

Here's a big difference: Airtran offered MDW non-pilot employees interviews. SWA is offering EVERY furloughed pilot an interview. Airtran wanted some gates and routes. That's it. SWA not only seems to want ATA to survive (in spite of ATA mgt, some would say) but now they have a financial stake in that survival. Apples and oranges. Not bashing Airtran, they're free to make a business offer. But no one can deny that SWA's seems much less cold. Repeat: not bashing Airtran, but trying to point out one more reason to think well of SWA.

JMHO

I disagree. Business is business and the end result for the Pilots at ATA will be the same. Southwest is and will grow at the expense of ATA. I respect your opinion... and quite frankly I hope you're right.

My question is why the deafening silence??

I know the answer... I just like to point out the hypocrisy of a few of the ATA geniuses around here..... and see how many more of you ATA Pilots will defend this hypocrisy and lack of integrity.

Answer: So far... ALL of you on this forum it appears.

 

[Jim Smyth]

Angus, this news about the cut backs at ATA and the phase out of Chicago Express in March just happened yesterday! When I was in there senorio back in 1991 I was still tipping a few back for the pain. A few nice comments would go a long way rather than rubbing salt in the open wound. Also Since you say you have been there before I would think you would have some compassion.