ASTAR'S Race to the Bottom

[fob727]

entitlement

Oh, Oh, I know, the company that only has Airbus equipment, they will be the one getting the new 76's.........

I guess ABXA is entitled to these AC. Kind of arrogant.

I wonder why ABXA was not included.

 

[Jurassic Jet]

I'm curious with regards to the decision to move to ILN.

Do ya'll think that the sort facility in CVG could have instantly handled the additional 3.8 million pounds of freight per night that Airborne was moving????? Uh huh...right.

BTW...side note....trivia question. How much is the ILN weight per night now???

Where might we park approximately 117 additional aircraft on the ramp at CVG??? Of course after all the customers were chased away, we no longer need that many airplanes now do we???

But that's OK....those are just minor details. At least CVG never goes Cat II. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[shooter]

Oh, Oh, I know, the company that only has Airbus equipment, they will be the one getting the new 76's.........

I guess ABXA is entitled to these AC. Kind of arrogant.

I wonder why ABXA was not included.

I don't think anyone is saying ABX is entitled to those 767's, they are DHL aircraft bought and paid for. So DHL went to the airlines the own (or 49% owned when it comes to Astar and Polar). I think you may be reading too much into what was said.

 

[shooter]

No Shooter, you misunderstand, I lay the blame not at ABX's feet really, but at DHL's. With only a few exceptions, DHL management is the one who makes the final call on the big decisions, i.e moving to ILN, firing the DHL drivers infavor of contractors.

Sorry for the confusion.

No worries. It just seems many are blaming ABX for decisions that were DHL's to make. I know the states of OH and KY were courting DHL very heavily during that time, but ABX is the whipping boy. Kind of gets old, you know?

 

[fob727]

Where might we park approximately 117 additional aircraft on the ramp at CVG??? Of course after all the customers were chased away, we no longer need that many airplanes now do we???

Construction here...construction there. Moot point now.

JJ, just had to get that dig in, huh? LOL

 

[ABXbooger]

CVG was never really in the running. Ohio came up with a MUCH better package to lure DHL to ILN, and the noise issue would have been serious. Maybe th

 

[mxer]

Also, You have to remember that CVG is basically Delta's toy. It is surrounded by nicer homes (read: noise issues), had high landing fees (vs none when you own ILN), and you have to get permission from the airport board that lives in the nice homes if you want to do the construction in order to make possible for growth. (read: make it easier to wake them up in the middle of the night) Then factor in tax advantages offered from state and county government. DHL purchased the property and they made the call.

 

[DC8CRIVER]

FWIW - let me state that I would not post something that I knew was not true, or did not have some merit of truth. Maybe some of you need to pull your heads out of your backsides and start asking more questions.

One more thing - I have noticed time and again that when someone is guilty of something they have a tendency to jump into "defensive" mode.

FWIW AVIATRIX, You would be the one who needs to start asking more questions prior to posting trash about another airline - trash addressed to "all pilots and union members" and posted on not one but three widely read message boards. And when YOU "get your head out of your backside" you will find that ASTAR pilots are indeed defensive when we are grossly slandered and are guilty of nothing you accused us of.

 

[DC8CRIVER]

After a quick talk with a couple of Lufthansa pilots, it appears that at least 2 of the 767's are headed to AeroLogic. Lufthansa has no 767's and their charter division, Condor, will not be flying freight.

AeroLogic has 11 B777's on order and now, some new 76's...

The only race to the bottom here is DHL & Dasburg's credibility.

They haven'y posted anything about the 76's yet, but this is their link:

http://www.aerologic.aero/web/en/About_us/

 

[EuroWheenie]

Shooter

We've been here before and I really don't fancy having another go at that particular can or worms. Should have known better than to open it, but won't be fishing any further in that pond. Partially because it'll get us nowhere, partially because I'm getting slightly drunk and don't want to ruin my drinking mood.

DC8Driver

Well, we all know how flyboys like to run with half-baked rumours, so here's another one: Before AeroLogic take delivery of any aircraft LCAG will have sold their 50% share to DHL. Either that or have the DLH and LCAG pilots go on strike as they think the flying should belong to them.

I haven't heard anything about AeroLogic getting all or part of the 767s, and it doesn't seem logical to me. But then again, when's the last time anything the postmen did made any sense? My money's still on Polar, much as it hurts. Secondly I'd go for EAT (who operate 12 757s and does maintenance on all 32 aircraft in the DHK/EAT fleets) and thirdly ASTAR. I put Polar first because they'll probably have the sharpest pencils when it comes to putting the bid together, EAT/DHK second because we're already operating the 75 and thus can cross-qualify the crews and engineers and have a large number of guys with ETOPS experience, and ASTAR 3rd because, well, the other guys are 1st and 2nd

As for AeroLogic, that's another disaster waiting to happen. When they started up DHL Air UK they hired a DFO from Britannia, who brought over a lot of his former collegues. Internally, DHL Air UK became known as Britannia Cargo and was operating like a charter company flying the bucket and spade brigade off to Majorca. No concept of night flying, no idea of freight and even less of express freight. It was freaking horrible. New CEO get's hired and immediately kicks out the CP and DFO. Now they're running smoothly.

Fast forward to AeroLogic and what do they do? Yes, hire a DFO from LTU (German charter company) and now internally AeroLogic is known as LTU Cargo. He's hiring loads of LTU pilots, whom I'm sure are nice guys and all that, but they're just repeating the same mistakes as they did with DHL Air. History, it would seem, have taught them nothing!

 

[Box-Hauler]

OK all let me state for the record my post was in jest. I was kidding when I said (tongue in cheek) we should let an all Airbus operator have the new 767. But how far from reality would it be. Look how DHL has screwed the U.S. ops. Not going to get into the whole ABX / Astar argument but before the Germans both of us were better off. They have driven away customers. Ignored advice on startups. The only smart move was moving to ILN due to the fact that DHL was the red headed stepchild of the CVG airport. See previous post by MXer. Short of the good decision to come to the cornfield they have screwed up most everything else on the air side. The new hub starting up overnight without a test run, brilliant idea. I bet that guy got a promotion. Not having the vision to re fleet Astar with fuel efficient A/C, brilliant. Taking paid for DC9 and parking them and then through stooping a 727 two or three times, brilliant.

As I said before the jist of my earlier post was supposed to be in fun, but Euro is wound a little too tight. I mean no offense but lets do get you over here and get some beer into you, maybe even a nice corn fed local girl to take your mind off of things for a while........:beer:

 

[aviatrix767]

FWIW AVIATRIX, You would be the one who needs to start asking more questions prior to posting trash about another airline - trash addressed to "all pilots and union members" and posted on not one but three widely read message boards. And when YOU "get your head out of your backside" you will find that ASTAR pilots are indeed defensive when we are grossly slandered and are guilty of nothing you accused us of.

I've gotten several emails that you had an "emergency" meeting the other night to take a vote on whether to continue down the path of reduced pay for aircraft. My understanding is that it was voted down. But just the fact , alone, that you were voting on such a proposal confirms my original post.

 

[EuroWheenie]

No it fcuking doesn't Aviatrix. It means that management put a proposal on the table and the guys on the coal face rejected it. That has nothing at all to do with the jest of your post, namely that ASTAR guys were willing to take a pay-cut to operate some shiny new metal.

The industry would like to thank you, especially if you crawled back to the hole you came from and stayed there for a while. Like eternity.

 

[rotor&wing]

I've gotten several emails that you had an "emergency" meeting the other night to take a vote on whether to continue down the path of reduced pay for aircraft. My understanding is that it was voted down. But just the fact , alone, that you were voting on such a proposal confirms my original post.

Look Aviatrix, whoever is "giving" you this information is f*&ked up. There was no "emergency" meeting to take a "vote". Sorry, just didn't happen. Our MEC at a regular meeting showed the pilot group what was proposed and rejected by our MEC.

Go find some Midol and get over it.

 

[Chubaka]

Aviatrix, your source is giving you incorrect information. It is simply not true. Check it out. Yes, we had a union meeting is all that is correct.

 

[AV8OR]

I've gotten several emails that you had an "emergency" meeting the other night to take a vote on whether to continue down the path of reduced pay for aircraft. My understanding is that it was voted down. But just the fact , alone, that you were voting on such a proposal confirms my original post.

Trix, you are just ill informed. Like the man said, we had a meeting the other night, (by the way we also discussed flight pay loss issues for our MEC reps, THAT was an actual discussion!), our our MEC BRIEFED the pilot group on what the company proposed and what OUR MEC REJECTED! What, did one of the Elks Lodge serving staff brief you? THAT is what happened. End of story. But you got on at least three different message boards, didn't ask us any questions, and went was of half cocked with rumor and conjecture as though it was FACT.

Truth is darlin, you owe us a friggin apology.

 

[Chubaka]

I just wanted to add that your information sounds like a rumor started by a mechanic, or some other employee. I personally never believe anything those guys say. They overhear something in bits and pieces and then they fill in the rest to make a entertaining story. They have to much free time on their hands. I would reevaluate the source, whoever it is.

 

[DC8CRIVER]

I've gotten several emails that you had an "emergency" meeting the other night to take a vote on whether to continue down the path of reduced pay for aircraft. My understanding is that it was voted down. But just the fact , alone, that you were voting on such a proposal confirms my original post.

AVIATRIX

That's three strikes: YOU'RE OUT.

You're out of your mind if you think that anyone will ever believe any of your posts again.
You're out of excuses for posting inflammatory and slanderous remarks.
You're out of credible sources - the next time you post ANYTHING you'd better be damn sure you know what you are talking about.
You're out of time for issuing an apology

 

[DC8CRIVER]

EURO

Interesting intel about AeroLogic. What I found important was that DLH has no 767’s. My first instinct was that the 76’s were going to DHL UK – if not, then perhaps to EAT or Polar. I never thought we were in the running (even though Astar obviously needs to be refleeted). DHL UK and EAT both fly 757’s so that was my logic for their award and Polar has pretty low pay scales so, I thought, maybe them.

Polar is or will soon be in negotiations and if they have the 74-400’s AND the 76’s they will be in a VERY strong position for a major pay increase. I hope they stand strong and get an outstanding contract. Anyway it’s all speculation about the 76’s which makes for interesting reading but doesn’t get anyone any closer to more airplanes.

All I know is (contrary to some of the erroneous posts you see around here) Astar ain’t getting them. We’re supposed to get some two man airplanes as stipulated in our new CBA (it says “737 or larger), but so far Dasburg has produced squat he’ll probably default on that as well.

 

[Fly Astar Jets]

...All I know is (contrary to some of the erroneous posts you see around here) Astar ain’t getting them. ...

Hey I know!!! Let's ask Trix!!!!! Hey Trix, any of your peeps send you any emails that said where the ER's are going. I mean hey, you seem to be dead nuts on top of everything else that's happening around here. This should be a no brainier for ya.

FAJ