Asiana 777 crashed on landing at SFO

[wrxpilot]

After watching, I have to say I'm done with CNN. If they report information that I am familiar with so bad, what type of info am I getting from the stuff I don't know. It's almost like they will break a story and just make up something to get people hooked

I've often wondered this very thing.

 

[Tweaker]

After watching, I have to say I'm done with CNN. If they report information that I am familiar with so bad, what type of info am I getting from the stuff I don't know. It's almost like they will break a story and just make up something to get people hooked

I have come to the same conclusion years ago. I am quite familiar with aviation, firearms and automobiles. Each of these topics, when discussed by "experts" on the "news," is run thru with mis-statements, falsities, errors, ignorance and in many cases, politically motivated lies.

It would be foolish to assume that this is not the case when they cover topics I am less versed in. Today's TV and most newspaper "journalists" are, for the most part, sensationalistic, politically poisoned hacks. They demonstrate an apparent AVERSION to the fact, and truth. May they all choke on a bag of pickled penii.

 

[gutshotdraw]

I have come to the same conclusion years ago. I am quite familiar with aviation, firearms and automobiles. Each of these topics, when discussed by "experts" on the "news," is run thru with mis-statements, falsities, errors, ignorance and in many cases, politically motivated lies.

It would be foolish to assume that this is not the case when they cover topics I am less versed in. Today's TV and most newspaper "journalists" are, for the most part, sensationalistic, politically poisoned hacks. They demonstrate an apparent AVERSION to the fact, and truth. May they all choke on a bag of pickled penii.

They are wrong on MOST things but ESPECIALLY aviation and firearms.

Spot on Tweaker.



By the way, once upon a time, I was a television news distort....er, um, reporter and I recognized the ignorance and political motivations early on. SO glad I quit that stupid business so that I could have a career in THIS stupid business...

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Can't help but think of the similarities here with the BA 777 at LHR. Landed short also, but after a longer flight and across the pole I believe. May have been different engines, but what about the fuel system?
Sad to think of the loss of life and injuries.
Two incidents with very similar outcomes would suggest that a very urgent and expedited investigation of the 777 is of utmost importance. Since the data should be readily available, hopefully this can be accomplished fairly quickly.



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I don't see any similarities here except the fact that there were two 777's involved. The time of the year is the key factor, in the BA accident, there were sigmets related to extreme low temperature of the air mass that they were flying through, this particular flight was not exposed anywhere near the low temperature that the BA flight was exposed that January day. The ice buildup in the BA crash happened at the oil/heat exchanger that was a unique design of the RR engines.

 

[SLUF4]

CNN's coverage yesterday was terrible! Where do they find these supposed "experts". And using the eyewitness statements as facts-"the aircraft cartwheeled down the runway several times!" wow.

 

[whymeworry?]

You mean "Richard Quest" isn't an expert? You could've have fooled me... what with his expert explanation of 3 degree glideslopes and all.


CNN, parrot journalism. All of them. Which is why I don't watch the news anymore. Run by complete idiots!

 

[Capn Butthead]

I think it's important to wait to see what the FDR has to say....but I think all of us can take things out of this.

I know we all Fly visual approaches every day but it seems more and more that companies are telling us to use automation! Don't fly it...the computer is better than you. I think that is a bad thing. I still hand fly a lot and I still fly visuals when I can raw data...unless I'm tired or my add has kicked in! I think we should all take the time to keep our skills sharp.

The other thing that got my skin crawling was at the 26minute mark on the tape...while the ga plane was talking...someone in a English voice yelled go around...probably the united 747 holding short. I can only imagine what was going through their thoughts...or the Skywest flight following the 777.

 

[shroomwell]

I know it is jumping to conclusions, but there is a lot of evidence suggesting that this crew was not well trained and able to adapt to the situation of a visual approach without GS, (read the pprune thread). Like it or not the Asian carriers have a history of only training there pilots to be computer operators, and there pilots have very little stick and rudder time.

That being said, my concern now is that we have SFO open again and heavy aircraft (many from Asian carriers), operating with only a 1R for takeoff, and 19L for landing. To me this could be a problem.

 

[NEDude]

I think it's important to wait to see what the FDR has to say....but I think all of us can take things out of this.

I know we all Fly visual approaches every day but it seems more and more that companies are telling us to use automation! Don't fly it...the computer is better than you. I think that is a bad thing. I still hand fly a lot and I still fly visuals when I can raw data...unless I'm tired or my add has kicked in! I think we should all take the time to keep our skills sharp.

The other thing that got my skin crawling was at the 26minute mark on the tape...while the ga plane was talking...someone in a English voice yelled go around...probably the united 747 holding short. I can only imagine what was going through their thoughts...or the Skywest flight following the 777.

Interestingly my company has taken a very different approach - we train hand flown, raw data, no auto thrust approaches regularly in the sim. Hand flown approaches are required while on IOE and encouraged in normal line operations.

 

[sstearns2]

You mean "Richard Quest" isn't an expert? You could've have fooled me... what with his expert explanation of 3 degree glideslopes and all.


CNN, parrot journalism. All of them. Which is why I don't watch the news anymore. Run by complete idiots!

Actually I would say that the networks are run by very smart people. The issue is that their intent is not to be accurate or informative. Their goal is to get the audience to watch the advertisements.

Scott