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[Oakum_Boy]

crew planning junk thrown into company optimization software. sounds terrible.

 

[FishandFly]

At ASA (no pbs) if you have 14 days of vacation per year you typically end up with two vacations of about 15 to 20 days off each.

How does that compare to skywest with pbs?

 

[Troutbait]

Tomct,
You are right. My first language was ALPA rhetoric long ago and it sounded just like that. But of course I should have noticed that type of remark. It comes from someone who irons their ALPA linard while drinking watered down hot cocoa from a Starbucks cup, debating on whither or not you should update the seven Jepps folders your left in your inbox, wishing ALPA would hurry and come to SKYW so that the FAA won't bust you for your laziness. With that, I guess I am a tool. All the guys screaming for ALPA's "protection" probably need it, soon.

 

[yellowfever]

Tomct,
You are right. My first language was ALPA rhetoric long ago and it sounded just like that. But of course I should have noticed that type of remark. It comes from someone who irons their ALPA linard while drinking watered down hot cocoa from a Starbucks cup, debating on whither or not you should update the seven Jepps folders your left in your inbox, wishing ALPA would hurry and come to SKYW so that the FAA won't bust you for your laziness. With that, I guess I am a tool. All the guys screaming for ALPA's "protection" probably need it, soon.

Anti-ALPA guys like to argue that ALPA supporters use scare tactics. Then some make posts insinuating they will need protection if the vote fails. Don't take a check ride from CFIT if you are pro ALPA !

 

[Troutbait]

yellowfever,
you missed the whole point. i have been at skyw a long while and i know many of the pro-union guys. Many I have flown with and many have this chip on their shoulder who feel the world is out to get them. They are the ones who like to stir the mud. Many know what kind of pilots they are and fear the FAA. Instead of changing their practices, they continue to do the stupid things they do. Either busting FARs or pissing off people in management. You must remember, we are the employee. Whatever happened to being a good one. If skyw screwed us as much as the few think, then go elsewhere, They will then see what it is that they had. I was at somewhere before skyw and think this place is not the hell hole the "world must revolve around me" type think it is. So your comment about 'if the vote fails' is so not the point. But i do like your avatar.

 

[Jmoney]

Continental

the only, ONLY people I've ever heard complain about PBS are on this board. they are by and large in small domiciles. before you scream and piss and moan 'well don't they count?!', you must consider the size of our pilot group. when the large majority of 2500+ calls it a benefit to their QOL, as opposed to a vocal few on this board, it seems to me that it can easily be termed an advantage.

but, bitch and moan on, I know you will.

Have you ever heard of Continental airlines, you tooldrawer? I know of many guys who went there from a crappy regional (ASA) which has traditional scheds and say that PBS is flatly horrible in comparison.

While I have no personal experience with PBS, these are people who had to do years of reserve at a crappy regional and the form of PBS at Continental is something they really don't like compared to their overall experiences elsewhere.

No offense, but.... (Oh, wait, strike that part-offense totally intended, Skynation.)

I am sure of one thing-I will take their word over yours, you idiot!
-You are truly a king among fools!

--A dubious distinction, but a distinction nonetheless, moron.....

 

[Medeco]

Ive asked a couple of Delta friends how they feel about PBS without giving them my opinion prior and they have both said its no good.

This coming from two people who pretty much do their job and go home, and never heard of a website called FI.com or any others similar.

One is a senior FO MD88, the other a Junior Captain on the 757

Nobody has perfect schedules, but PBS makes it worse.

Medeco

 

[viper548]

My favorite part of KB's letter was where he pointed out that SkyWest first year CRJ CA pay is still higher than ASA's first year CRJ CA pay.

So what, neither company has any first year CA's on the CRJ

 

[Troutbait]

Well it maybe true that PBS may not always work to your advantage, two things need to be remembered. You have to use your head and bid for things your seniority will hold. Thinking a 4 year captain can bid for weekends off with 2 day back to backs maybe pushing things a bit. You need to reach for apples not stars. Next, those two airlines mentioned above that also employ PBS are both ALPA, so to attack SKYW and say "The Devil!" well...it doesn't look much like ALPA is really preventing the likes of PBS either.

 

[amcnd]

My favorite part of KB's letter was where he pointed out that SkyWest first year CRJ CA pay is still higher than ASA's first year CRJ CA pay.

So what, neither company has any first year CA's on the CRJ

Not yet but SkyWest is really close!! All alpa has done is caused friction when there was none, or very little before. I would rather see something like what the Southwest pilots have (swapa). And im sure SkyWest would too. Just not ALPA...... There just not fighting for the right things now..

 

[viper548]

Not yet but SkyWest is really close!! All alpa has done is caused friction when there was none, or very little before. I would rather see something like what the Southwest pilots have (swapa). And im sure SkyWest would too. Just not ALPA...... There just not fighting for the right things now..

I agree. I'd rather have something like swapa, but right now it looks like alpa is our only choice

 

[120% Torque]

Not yet but SkyWest is really close!! All alpa has done is caused friction when there was none, or very little before. I would rather see something like what the Southwest pilots have (swapa). And im sure SkyWest would too. Just not ALPA...... There just not fighting for the right things now..

That was tried in 2004. Sapa/management ran their "unions are evil" dog and pony show on that one too. It was a good idea on paper but lacked enough funds to present its case even with alot of pilot donations. It was going to have funding problems in the future as well. Even with much higher dues than Alpa charges it was going to be underfunded. Skywest pilots simply dont make what Southwest pilots make. Once again, good idea on paper though and glad we at least took a shot at it.

 

[SSDD]

Inhouse union is management/SAPA's way of killing the drive: Let's certify SAPA. Then when it looked like it was happening they started pulling back...no we didn't mean this SAPA, no you can't use the name SAPA.

Smoke and mirrors...

 

[Gr82Aviate]

yellowfever,
you missed the whole point. i have been at skyw a long while and i know many of the pro-union guys. Many I have flown with and many have this chip on their shoulder who feel the world is out to get them. They are the ones who like to stir the mud. Many know what kind of pilots they are and fear the FAA. Instead of changing their practices, they continue to do the stupid things they do. Either busting FARs or pissing off people in management. You must remember, we are the employee. Whatever happened to being a good one. If skyw screwed us as much as the few think, then go elsewhere, They will then see what it is that they had. I was at somewhere before skyw and think this place is not the hell hole the "world must revolve around me" type think it is. So your comment about 'if the vote fails' is so not the point. But i do like your avatar.

So the only reason anyone wants ALPA is because they are "busting FARS or pissing off people in management"? Rigghhhhtt...you seem to be well informed/NOT! Some of us like to know that our careers can't be flushed down the toilet for any number of reasons, without at least having someone who has our back(hint, SAPA doesn't)!!!
Just because you haven't been in anyones crosshairs, people can make mistakes,and I know I'm not perfect... I know many that have been terminated over little things that were trumped up, and or made innocent mistakes and were still thrown under the bus!

 

[Texx]

So the only reason anyone wants ALPA is because they are "busting FARS or pissing off people in management"? Rigghhhhtt...you seem to be well informed/NOT! Some of us like to know that our careers can't be flushed down the toilet for any number of reasons, without at least having someone who has our back(hint, SAPA doesn't)!!!
Just because you haven't been in anyones crosshairs, people can make mistakes,and I know I'm not perfect... I know many that have been terminated over little things that were trumped up, and or made innocent mistakes and were still thrown under the bus!

Not just that...What happens when the other guy in the cockpit makes a mistake that you didn't know about. If your the Captain it's your ticket.

 

[Tomct]

That was tried in 2004. Sapa/management ran their "unions are evil" dog and pony show on that one too. It was a good idea on paper but lacked enough funds to present its case even with alot of pilot donations. It was going to have funding problems in the future as well. Even with much higher dues than Alpa charges it was going to be underfunded. Skywest pilots simply dont make what Southwest pilots make. Once again, good idea on paper though and glad we at least took a shot at it.

EXACTLY!!!! But hey...if you don't vote in a union....GOOD LUCK! Because Jerry is a comin and you won't even see the headlights of the truck he is driving!:laugh:

 

[yellowfever]

Cfit

yellowfever,
you missed the whole point. i have been at skyw a long while and i know many of the pro-union guys. Many I have flown with and many have this chip on their shoulder who feel the world is out to get them. They are the ones who like to stir the mud. Many know what kind of pilots they are and fear the FAA. Instead of changing their practices, they continue to do the stupid things they do. Either busting FARs or pissing off people in management. You must remember, we are the employee. Whatever happened to being a good one. If skyw screwed us as much as the few think, then go elsewhere, They will then see what it is that they had. I was at somewhere before skyw and think this place is not the hell hole the "world must revolve around me" type think it is. So your comment about 'if the vote fails' is so not the point. But i do like your avatar.

I believe in being a good employee and a professional pilot. I also advocate pay/treatment that is commensurate with a good employee and professional pilot. It was your co-worker, and a check airman/sim instructor who wrote this:

From CFIT: "It will be funny watching all those with ALPA stickers on their flight case peeling them off because management sees them as a target."

 

[120% Torque]

I believe in being a good employee and a professional pilot. I also advocate pay/treatment that is commensurate with a good employee and professional pilot. It was your co-worker, and a check airman/sim instructor who wrote this:

From CFIT: "It will be funny watching all those with ALPA stickers on their flight case peeling them off because management sees them as a target."

CFIT is also a sapa guy

 

[John Pennekamp]

My brother in law was one of the lawyers on the buy deal and he has filled me in a few of the tid bits.

I see, so you're admitting that your brother-in-law violated the confidentiality agreement he executed. That should make for a nice lawsuit. Way to go!

 

[WWEfan]

ASA ALPA updated their website to rebutt that letter. Check it out...

http://asanegotiations.alpa.org/Publications/SKYW_MNGMNT_PROPAGANDA.pdf