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[viper548]

Not yet but SkyWest is really close!! All alpa has done is caused friction when there was none, or very little before. I would rather see something like what the Southwest pilots have (swapa). And im sure SkyWest would too. Just not ALPA...... There just not fighting for the right things now..

I agree. I'd rather have something like swapa, but right now it looks like alpa is our only choice

 

[120% Torque]

Not yet but SkyWest is really close!! All alpa has done is caused friction when there was none, or very little before. I would rather see something like what the Southwest pilots have (swapa). And im sure SkyWest would too. Just not ALPA...... There just not fighting for the right things now..

That was tried in 2004. Sapa/management ran their "unions are evil" dog and pony show on that one too. It was a good idea on paper but lacked enough funds to present its case even with alot of pilot donations. It was going to have funding problems in the future as well. Even with much higher dues than Alpa charges it was going to be underfunded. Skywest pilots simply dont make what Southwest pilots make. Once again, good idea on paper though and glad we at least took a shot at it.

 

[SSDD]

Inhouse union is management/SAPA's way of killing the drive: Let's certify SAPA. Then when it looked like it was happening they started pulling back...no we didn't mean this SAPA, no you can't use the name SAPA.

Smoke and mirrors...

 

[Gr82Aviate]

yellowfever,
you missed the whole point. i have been at skyw a long while and i know many of the pro-union guys. Many I have flown with and many have this chip on their shoulder who feel the world is out to get them. They are the ones who like to stir the mud. Many know what kind of pilots they are and fear the FAA. Instead of changing their practices, they continue to do the stupid things they do. Either busting FARs or pissing off people in management. You must remember, we are the employee. Whatever happened to being a good one. If skyw screwed us as much as the few think, then go elsewhere, They will then see what it is that they had. I was at somewhere before skyw and think this place is not the hell hole the "world must revolve around me" type think it is. So your comment about 'if the vote fails' is so not the point. But i do like your avatar.

So the only reason anyone wants ALPA is because they are "busting FARS or pissing off people in management"? Rigghhhhtt...you seem to be well informed/NOT! Some of us like to know that our careers can't be flushed down the toilet for any number of reasons, without at least having someone who has our back(hint, SAPA doesn't)!!!
Just because you haven't been in anyones crosshairs, people can make mistakes,and I know I'm not perfect... I know many that have been terminated over little things that were trumped up, and or made innocent mistakes and were still thrown under the bus!

 

[Texx]

So the only reason anyone wants ALPA is because they are "busting FARS or pissing off people in management"? Rigghhhhtt...you seem to be well informed/NOT! Some of us like to know that our careers can't be flushed down the toilet for any number of reasons, without at least having someone who has our back(hint, SAPA doesn't)!!!
Just because you haven't been in anyones crosshairs, people can make mistakes,and I know I'm not perfect... I know many that have been terminated over little things that were trumped up, and or made innocent mistakes and were still thrown under the bus!

Not just that...What happens when the other guy in the cockpit makes a mistake that you didn't know about. If your the Captain it's your ticket.

 

[Tomct]

That was tried in 2004. Sapa/management ran their "unions are evil" dog and pony show on that one too. It was a good idea on paper but lacked enough funds to present its case even with alot of pilot donations. It was going to have funding problems in the future as well. Even with much higher dues than Alpa charges it was going to be underfunded. Skywest pilots simply dont make what Southwest pilots make. Once again, good idea on paper though and glad we at least took a shot at it.

EXACTLY!!!! But hey...if you don't vote in a union....GOOD LUCK! Because Jerry is a comin and you won't even see the headlights of the truck he is driving!:laugh:

 

[yellowfever]

Cfit

yellowfever,
you missed the whole point. i have been at skyw a long while and i know many of the pro-union guys. Many I have flown with and many have this chip on their shoulder who feel the world is out to get them. They are the ones who like to stir the mud. Many know what kind of pilots they are and fear the FAA. Instead of changing their practices, they continue to do the stupid things they do. Either busting FARs or pissing off people in management. You must remember, we are the employee. Whatever happened to being a good one. If skyw screwed us as much as the few think, then go elsewhere, They will then see what it is that they had. I was at somewhere before skyw and think this place is not the hell hole the "world must revolve around me" type think it is. So your comment about 'if the vote fails' is so not the point. But i do like your avatar.

I believe in being a good employee and a professional pilot. I also advocate pay/treatment that is commensurate with a good employee and professional pilot. It was your co-worker, and a check airman/sim instructor who wrote this:

From CFIT: "It will be funny watching all those with ALPA stickers on their flight case peeling them off because management sees them as a target."

 

[120% Torque]

I believe in being a good employee and a professional pilot. I also advocate pay/treatment that is commensurate with a good employee and professional pilot. It was your co-worker, and a check airman/sim instructor who wrote this:

From CFIT: "It will be funny watching all those with ALPA stickers on their flight case peeling them off because management sees them as a target."

CFIT is also a sapa guy

 

[John Pennekamp]

My brother in law was one of the lawyers on the buy deal and he has filled me in a few of the tid bits.

I see, so you're admitting that your brother-in-law violated the confidentiality agreement he executed. That should make for a nice lawsuit. Way to go!

 

[WWEfan]

ASA ALPA updated their website to rebutt that letter. Check it out...

http://asanegotiations.alpa.org/Publications/SKYW_MNGMNT_PROPAGANDA.pdf

 

[BCpilot81]

I will be honest, if I saw this KB in front of me, I would stick my "represented, due-payin" foot square in his junk. Then have ALPA get my job back. BECAUSE I CAN

 

[SkyNation]

I will be honest, if I saw this KB in front of me, I would stick my "represented, due-payin" foot square in his junk. Then have ALPA get my job back. BECAUSE I CAN

Classic union mentality. I couldn't invent a better scenario to illustrate it.

unless, you were kidding?

 

[BCpilot81]

Classic union mentality. I couldn't invent a better scenario to illustrate it.

unless, you were kidding?

yes sir, I was kidding. But I do disagree with the mentality of that letter. To sight one, I do not know of any carrier that has a 1st year Capt. At least one that uses RJ's for primary means of pax transport.

 

[Jmoney]

Retard!

Classic union mentality. I couldn't invent a better scenario to illustrate it.

unless, you were kidding?

Skynation, you are a retard......
-No, I'm not kidding.

I can't think of a better person to illustrate why retards shouldn't be allowed to fly planes than you...

-Not kidding about that either.

 

[KevinOppelt]

At ASA (no pbs) if you have 14 days of vacation per year you typically end up with two vacations of about 15 to 20 days off each.

How does that compare to skywest with pbs?

It doesn't. 11-14 days off is common in a vacation month. you get that anyway. That is one the problems with it. no 7 day conflicts in transition, training days built in. Hard lines gave you some extra days off during the year. Also, forced extra flying above and beyond what your senority should hold is complete BS. Also no cola. which is the only raise you can really look forward to at the regional level. wake up people. you are getting screwed. CRJ 70 and 90 pay is a joke. "we will pay you equal to other regional airlines". thats a great compensation policy. basically saying that as long a regional pilot labor is cheap, we will continue to follow those guidlines. real smart, bet that makes the pilot group feel good.