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[joe_pilot]

Very true, but if the RJ's can't leave ATL to go to the small stations and bring in the connecting pax, the international flights will be missing some passengers. So really, it's all intertwined. Delta is still going to have stranded pax and lost revenue. Seems like a shortsighted decision to me.

It is very tactically thinking, isn't it? Where's the strategy in saving $100k in revenue to lose $275k in hotels, meal, vouchers and re-booked pax. Oh wait a sec, I'll bet DAL will call this a WX problem, right?

"It's not our fault, we don't control the weather."
(ok, to some degree it isn't)

 

[rightseatjocky]

You have Jerry's cell number? Prove it! I have 3 hours to burn before I head back to work.

You want Jerry's number. Pm me and I will give it to you. I have had it since skypest bought ASA.

 

[SSDD]

Did they refuse to deice just ASA or all DCI's?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I would have rather been cancelled from the get-go than to go sit in whatever "recoculous" deice line would have formed.

Maybe Delta was trying to avert another jetBlue remake from last year?

 

[CheeseHead13]

Not to change the subject, but does anyone know what AWD on our flica schedule means? It's on the end of my pairing that flows into February. I asked around and nobody seems to know...

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Here's what happened. ASA's completion factor remained high on ourASA because the cancellations were "pre-cancels" at the behest of Delta. Meaning, Delta requested all DCI carriers cancel flights arriving into ATL in the evening hours to minimize both ramp congestion/gate congestion and the de-icing situation. Those cancellations do not penalize the DCI carriers performance numbers for that reason. A lot of shuttle america flights and freedom flights were canceled in the evening hours and as a result the morning after. It's nothing new for snowstorms. NWA does this to PCL, American to eagle, and Continental to Xjet. Yes, part of the reason is to preserve the finite supply of de-ice fluid. The int'l flights are going regardless, because the revenue gained from that roundtrip will outweigh the loss of not those left behind. Many of these int'l destinations make a considerable amount of their revenue from cargo. So don't beat up on DCI too badly, it's an effective plan that Delta uses.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Here's what happened. ASA's completion factor remained high on ourASA because the cancellations were "pre-cancels" at the behest of Delta. Meaning, Delta requested all DCI carriers cancel flights arriving into ATL in the evening hours to minimize both ramp congestion/gate congestion and the de-icing situation. Those cancellations do not penalize the DCI carriers performance numbers for that reason. A lot of shuttle america flights and freedom flights were canceled in the evening hours and as a result the morning after. It's nothing new for snowstorms. NWA does this to PCL, American to eagle, and Continental to Xjet. Yes, part of the reason is to preserve the finite supply of de-ice fluid. The int'l flights are going regardless, because the revenue gained from that roundtrip will outweigh the loss of not those left behind. Many of these int'l destinations make a considerable amount of their revenue from cargo. So don't beat up on DCI too badly, it's an effective plan that Delta uses.

Have you been scouted by management? Come on, what did you do with the real Captain Oveur?

 

[Cpt Oveur]

I'm just saying, that this is not one of the great examples of an ASA management screw up, this is Delta's doing. It really makes ASA look bad, but as you so eloquently put it, "Delta owns all the seats."

 

[SpauldingSmails]

You guys at ASA don't use push brooms and rubber hoses to de-ice?

 

[Cpt Oveur]

hot cups of coffee and credit cards

 

[John Pennekamp]

We get out and whiz on the airplane.

 

[Leroy Smith]

Anyone else notice the large number of silly ferry flights? Was departing one midwest city (on an airplane that had been ferried in from another midwest city), ferrying to another outstation, while a third ferry arrived from yet another midwest city. There must have been a hundred of these 9000# flights over the two days on the flow board.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

now that is an example of ASA's "big picture." If delta wants to cancel some of ASA's flights, then Delta should be paying for the ferry flights which try to get the operation back on track, but ferrying an airplane from Florida to the Tenneessee when its snowing up there? wiskey tango fox?

 

[Airboss]

Heres what I saw. It took us 4.5 hours to depart ATLANTA!
We closed the door at 7pm. Pushed back at 9pm, Got to the deice pad at 11pm and took off at 1130pm. I wish i was making that up.

About 7:30pm the ramp said ASA was not accepting any aircraft. My understanding was they were deicing Delta instead of us. This happend from 730-800 and 830-850pm.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Heres what I saw. It took us 4.5 hours to depart ATLANTA!
We closed the door at 7pm. Pushed back at 9pm, Got to the deice pad at 11pm and took off at 1130pm. I wish i was making that up.

About 7:30pm the ramp said ASA was not accepting any aircraft. My understanding was they were deicing Delta instead of us. This happend from 730-800 and 830-850pm.

Wow! Sorry to hear that. I hope you announced every 20 minutes that DELTA ground sevices, DELTA ramp, and DELTA operations were responsible for those decisions DELT DELTA DELTA.