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Anyone else notice the large number of silly ferry flights? Was departing one midwest city (on an airplane that had been ferried in from another midwest city), ferrying to another outstation, while a third ferry arrived from yet another midwest city. There must have been a hundred of these 9000# flights over the two days on the flow board.
Cpt Oveur
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now that is an example of ASA's "big picture." If delta wants to cancel some of ASA's flights, then Delta should be paying for the ferry flights which try to get the operation back on track, but ferrying an airplane from Florida to the Tenneessee when its snowing up there? wiskey tango fox?
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Heres what I saw. It took us 4.5 hours to depart ATLANTA!
We closed the door at 7pm. Pushed back at 9pm, Got to the deice pad at 11pm and took off at 1130pm. I wish i was making that up.
About 7:30pm the ramp said ASA was not accepting any aircraft. My understanding was they were deicing Delta instead of us. This happend from 730-800 and 830-850pm.
We closed the door at 7pm. Pushed back at 9pm, Got to the deice pad at 11pm and took off at 1130pm. I wish i was making that up.
About 7:30pm the ramp said ASA was not accepting any aircraft. My understanding was they were deicing Delta instead of us. This happend from 730-800 and 830-850pm.
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Wow! Sorry to hear that. I hope you announced every 20 minutes that DELTA ground sevices, DELTA ramp, and DELTA operations were responsible for those decisions DELT DELTA DELTA.
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Awarded. AWD is award. If you pick up something for Line Completion it will say LCP, etc. Easier tracking for them.
Trojan
A whopping 60% of Delta code is flown by DCI. That leads me to believe there's almost as many RJs as mainline airplanes. What's the difference between canceling one 76 with 200 people or 4 RJs with 200 people? Oh now I get it... more mainline superiority complex! You're more valuable just because you're mainline!
Yet another reason to use the merger process to dump costly RJ's. Let's get real here, there is no such thing as "mainline superiority complex" it's simply a fact of life. Mainline own's everything and calls the shots on how resources are utilized. Mainline does NOT exist to provide RJ flying, DCI's exist at the whim becon and call of mainline to provide feed, as much or as little as they see fit, on a basis that makes the most economic sense. When I was a regional pilot, which wasn't long ago....I had a very explicit sense of reality in knowing that the SOLE reason I had a job was because mainline (not DAL) decided my regional should exist. Remember which side your bread is buttered on, suck it up, do your best and eventually you'll be able to make the transition to a better place. Don't let this stuff get you down or effect your attitude or it will shine through in your interview! If you choose to stay at xyz regional so be it, but don't p!ss and moan when you don't get your way as you see it, the mainline carriers are in the drivers seat and the regionals are along for the ride.
Hundreds stranded in grounded planes at Hartsfield
Wednesday's weather creates havoc at Atlanta airport
By JIM THARPE
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 01/18/08
Hundreds of passengers were stranded for hours on crowded jets earlier this week at Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport as snow began falling and a de-icing plan apparently went haywire.
The backup prompted airport, airline and government officials to convene a meeting on the problems and discuss ways to prevent a recurrence as icy weather returns to the region this weekend.
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Gary Connor of Fayetteville said he was aboard Delta Air Lines Flight 1986 from Atlanta to Nashville on Wednesday evening. His flight pulled away from the gate at 5:11 p.m., on schedule. But Connor was aboard the plane — on the ground — for 5 hours before it eventually returned to the gate and passengers were told the flight was canceled.
"This happened several years ago this airport, and they supposedly put things in place to make sure it didn't happen again," Connor said. "And now they've messed it up again."
Delta spokeswoman Susan Elliott said Connor's account is correct. She said Delta canceled 70 flights Wednesday night in an effort to reduce ground congestion and notified more than 28,000 passengers about flight delays or cancellations. "The situations are difficult on everyone, including the flight crews," Elliott said. "So much of it is out of our control."
The storm pushed through the area late Wednesday afternoon, and at 7:04 p.m. the Federal Aviation Administration halted flights into Atlanta that hadn't already taken off because so many planes were on the ground, many waiting in long lines for de-icing.
The "ground stop" was lifted at 9:34 p.m., but by that time passengers on dozens of flights had spent hours aboard grounded aircraft.
Susan Shenefield said her US Airways flight from Atlanta to Phoenix spent three-and-a-half hours on the ground — much of it waiting for de-icing station — before going back to the gate.
"After about 3 hours, they finally broke out the beverage service," Shenefield said.
Shenefield said she got back to the gate at 10 p.m., got off the flight and went home. She said she caught an 11 a.m. Thursday flight for Phoenix and arrived without any problems.
Connor said passengers on Delta 1986 were told by the pilot as they pulled away from the gate that their plane would have to be sprayed with de-icing fluid prior to takeoff. He said they waited in a de-icing line for 2 hours. They did not get de-iced, he said, and the plane had to return to the gate because it was running low on fuel. The Delta crew announced that anyone who wanted could get off the flight. Connor said about five passengers did.
"They were the smart ones," he said. "I wish I'd been one of them."
Connor said his refueled flight pushed back from the gate about 8 p.m. and again maneuvered to a de-icing station. By this time, he said, they were behind 30 other aircraft awaiting de-icing. The pilot told the passengers it was taking 25 minutes to de-ice each plane.
The FAA said there were 90 planes in de-icing lines at 9:30 p.m.
"At that point, folks started to go a little nutso," said Connor, a veteran road warrior who flies twice a week.
About 9:30, Connot said the pilot came back on the intercom.
"He said, 'I understand a number of you have a high desire to go back to the gate'," Connor said. "He said we're going to do that after we can maneuver through the traffic. It looked like a parking lot."
They got back to the gate about 10:15 p.m., Connor said, and the crew announced the flight was canceled.
"It's frustrating," Conner said. "I could have driven to Nashville in four hours."
Another passenger who said she was caught in Wednesday's weather mess, Carolyn Emery, told WSB-TV her flight to Colorado Springs was boarded at 6:30 p.m. and then sat at the gate until 10:30 p.m. After finally leaving the gate, it spent three hours in line for de-icing before the flight was canceled at 1:15 a.m., according to Emery.
"We started at B-36 getting on a plane at 6:30 last night and I deplaned at 1:15 the next morning at B-36," said Emery, according to the WSB report. "I think there comes a point when common sense needs to prevail. You don't have to have passengers sitting on a plane for seven hours deciding if you're going to cancel or not."
Wednesday's weather creates havoc at Atlanta airport
By JIM THARPE
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 01/18/08
Hundreds of passengers were stranded for hours on crowded jets earlier this week at Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport as snow began falling and a de-icing plan apparently went haywire.
The backup prompted airport, airline and government officials to convene a meeting on the problems and discuss ways to prevent a recurrence as icy weather returns to the region this weekend.
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Gary Connor of Fayetteville said he was aboard Delta Air Lines Flight 1986 from Atlanta to Nashville on Wednesday evening. His flight pulled away from the gate at 5:11 p.m., on schedule. But Connor was aboard the plane — on the ground — for 5 hours before it eventually returned to the gate and passengers were told the flight was canceled.
"This happened several years ago this airport, and they supposedly put things in place to make sure it didn't happen again," Connor said. "And now they've messed it up again."
Delta spokeswoman Susan Elliott said Connor's account is correct. She said Delta canceled 70 flights Wednesday night in an effort to reduce ground congestion and notified more than 28,000 passengers about flight delays or cancellations. "The situations are difficult on everyone, including the flight crews," Elliott said. "So much of it is out of our control."
The storm pushed through the area late Wednesday afternoon, and at 7:04 p.m. the Federal Aviation Administration halted flights into Atlanta that hadn't already taken off because so many planes were on the ground, many waiting in long lines for de-icing.
The "ground stop" was lifted at 9:34 p.m., but by that time passengers on dozens of flights had spent hours aboard grounded aircraft.
Susan Shenefield said her US Airways flight from Atlanta to Phoenix spent three-and-a-half hours on the ground — much of it waiting for de-icing station — before going back to the gate.
"After about 3 hours, they finally broke out the beverage service," Shenefield said.
Shenefield said she got back to the gate at 10 p.m., got off the flight and went home. She said she caught an 11 a.m. Thursday flight for Phoenix and arrived without any problems.
Connor said passengers on Delta 1986 were told by the pilot as they pulled away from the gate that their plane would have to be sprayed with de-icing fluid prior to takeoff. He said they waited in a de-icing line for 2 hours. They did not get de-iced, he said, and the plane had to return to the gate because it was running low on fuel. The Delta crew announced that anyone who wanted could get off the flight. Connor said about five passengers did.
"They were the smart ones," he said. "I wish I'd been one of them."
Connor said his refueled flight pushed back from the gate about 8 p.m. and again maneuvered to a de-icing station. By this time, he said, they were behind 30 other aircraft awaiting de-icing. The pilot told the passengers it was taking 25 minutes to de-ice each plane.
The FAA said there were 90 planes in de-icing lines at 9:30 p.m.
"At that point, folks started to go a little nutso," said Connor, a veteran road warrior who flies twice a week.
About 9:30, Connot said the pilot came back on the intercom.
"He said, 'I understand a number of you have a high desire to go back to the gate'," Connor said. "He said we're going to do that after we can maneuver through the traffic. It looked like a parking lot."
They got back to the gate about 10:15 p.m., Connor said, and the crew announced the flight was canceled.
"It's frustrating," Conner said. "I could have driven to Nashville in four hours."
Another passenger who said she was caught in Wednesday's weather mess, Carolyn Emery, told WSB-TV her flight to Colorado Springs was boarded at 6:30 p.m. and then sat at the gate until 10:30 p.m. After finally leaving the gate, it spent three hours in line for de-icing before the flight was canceled at 1:15 a.m., according to Emery.
"We started at B-36 getting on a plane at 6:30 last night and I deplaned at 1:15 the next morning at B-36," said Emery, according to the WSB report. "I think there comes a point when common sense needs to prevail. You don't have to have passengers sitting on a plane for seven hours deciding if you're going to cancel or not."
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Oh ********************!!!!!!!!!
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I didn't think Mormons were allowed to drink alcohol? What, did the Mormon Church buy a controlling stake in Coors and allow "soft" alcohol?
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WalterSobchak
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And let the snow begin...whoooo!
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Look at ATL getting all white on MLK Weekend...that just ain't right.
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Let the ATL melt down begin!!!!!!!!!
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