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[TOOL CRIB]

That's EXACTLY what I mean. That's recoculous.
A better headline would be....."DELTA DIDN'T PLAN FOR THE ADVERSE WEATHER CORRECTLY, STRANDED MILLIONS OF PASSENGERS IN ATL."

Trojan

recoculous??

ATL is not designed for serious winter ops and it never will be. It's just not cost-effective. That means these rare storms will come and go, wreak havoc on schedules for a few days (and piss off John Pennekamp, but what doesnt?). Delta and ATL will not spend millions on deice trucks, plows, deice fluid stockpiles, install deicing pads and hire/maintain the proper staffing and logistics for all that just to use them once every couple years.

ATL deicing is primarily used if the RON aircraft get some frost on them overnight. Then it works decently. It's not designed for -FZRASNPL.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

1. It was happening this morning too.

2. If the planes don't make it to the overnight, the morning flight out is also cancelled. Either way, "valuable" delta customers are being inconvenienced.

A whopping 60% of Delta code is flown by DCI. That leads me to believe there's almost as many RJs as mainline airplanes. What's the difference between canceling one 76 with 200 people or 4 RJs with 200 people? Oh now I get it... more mainline superiority complex! You're more valuable just because you're mainline!

If there's almost as many RJs as mainline airplanes (as you say), then why do you compare one 767 to 4 RJs? Shouldnt it be an even comparison? 4 767s vs 4 RJs. Alright, that's 1000 pax vs 200. Now does it make sense to you why they cancel RJ flights first?

IF you have a plan that would work better, then by all means let's hear it and debate it!!

 

[John Pennekamp]

If there's almost as many RJs as mainline airplanes (as you say), then why do you compare one 767 to 4 RJs? Shouldnt it be an even comparison? 4 767s vs 4 RJs. Alright, that's 1000 pax vs 200. Now does it make sense to you why they cancel RJ flights first?

IF you have a plan that would work better, then by all means let's hear it and debate it!!

Because due to the stage lengths the 767s fly (~4 hours) as compared to the short flights the RJs fly (~1 hour), there's 4 RJs in ATL at any given time for every 1 767.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Because due to the stage lengths the 767s fly (~4 hours) as compared to the short flights the RJs fly (~1 hour), there's 4 RJs in ATL at any given time for every 1 767.

Not after 5pm last night. Intl push ring a bell?

 

[John Pennekamp]

Not after 5pm last night. Intl push ring a bell?

And this morning?

 

[TOOL CRIB]

And this morning?

What about this morning?

Sure more RJ flights were canceled because the RON aircraft couldn't get out last night. Again, you'd rather have the mainline aircraft flying than an RJ.

Again do you have a plan that would have worked better? Independence Air tried to fly with all RJs. Whether you like it or not, the mainline DL planes are the reason ASA exists. Not the other way around.

 

[rightseatjocky]

More wise words from the pilot in the RIGHT seat.

Right seat? I see your parents didn't have any kids that lived. Read the profile home slice. The answer is there. Wait I see you can't read, that would be Captain. Left seat.
I have been at ASA longer then 2 years like skypest ugrades. I do know more about Jerry Atkins (yes it's spelled incorrectly), than you know. Want his cell phone number. I do have it.
Man, where do we get some of these sphinkters?

 

[McNugent]

Right seat? I see your parents didn't have any kids that lived. Read the profile home slice. The answer is there. Wait I see you can't read, that would be Captain. Left seat.
I have been at ASA longer then 2 years like skypest ugrades. I do know more about Jerry Atkins (yes it's spelled incorrectly), than you know. Want his cell phone number. I do have it.
Man, where do we get some of these sphinkters?

You have Jerry's cell number? Prove it! I have 3 hours to burn before I head back to work.

 

[USCtrojan]

recoculous??

ATL is not designed for serious winter ops and it never will be. It's just not cost-effective. That means these rare storms will come and go, wreak havoc on schedules for a few days (and piss off John Pennekamp, but what doesnt?). Delta and ATL will not spend millions on deice trucks, plows, deice fluid stockpiles, install deicing pads and hire/maintain the proper staffing and logistics for all that just to use them once every couple years.

ATL deicing is primarily used if the RON aircraft get some frost on them overnight. Then it works decently. It's not designed for -FZRASNPL.

West Coast thing (recoculous), when something is so ridiculous, it heads to the next level.....Kind of like flying a 90 seat RJ for 50 seat pay, that's recoculous.

Trojan

 

[Tomct]

I'm just curious how this will spin? Will these CNX's be ASA's fault? How will it go down? Will the media villify ASA again for poor service? Can't hold ASA accountable if Delta doesn't give us the resources to do our jobs.

Trojan

Dude, everything is our fault. You should know this by now...The whole thing is too deflect blame. Remember, the majority of our Pres. came from Delta...they KNOW how to deflect blame and we have been witnessing it for years.....No SURPRISE!!

 

[joe_pilot]

Very true, but if the RJ's can't leave ATL to go to the small stations and bring in the connecting pax, the international flights will be missing some passengers. So really, it's all intertwined. Delta is still going to have stranded pax and lost revenue. Seems like a shortsighted decision to me.

It is very tactically thinking, isn't it? Where's the strategy in saving $100k in revenue to lose $275k in hotels, meal, vouchers and re-booked pax. Oh wait a sec, I'll bet DAL will call this a WX problem, right?

"It's not our fault, we don't control the weather."
(ok, to some degree it isn't)

 

[rightseatjocky]

You have Jerry's cell number? Prove it! I have 3 hours to burn before I head back to work.

You want Jerry's number. Pm me and I will give it to you. I have had it since skypest bought ASA.

 

[SSDD]

Did they refuse to deice just ASA or all DCI's?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I would have rather been cancelled from the get-go than to go sit in whatever "recoculous" deice line would have formed.

Maybe Delta was trying to avert another jetBlue remake from last year?

 

[CheeseHead13]

Not to change the subject, but does anyone know what AWD on our flica schedule means? It's on the end of my pairing that flows into February. I asked around and nobody seems to know...

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Here's what happened. ASA's completion factor remained high on ourASA because the cancellations were "pre-cancels" at the behest of Delta. Meaning, Delta requested all DCI carriers cancel flights arriving into ATL in the evening hours to minimize both ramp congestion/gate congestion and the de-icing situation. Those cancellations do not penalize the DCI carriers performance numbers for that reason. A lot of shuttle america flights and freedom flights were canceled in the evening hours and as a result the morning after. It's nothing new for snowstorms. NWA does this to PCL, American to eagle, and Continental to Xjet. Yes, part of the reason is to preserve the finite supply of de-ice fluid. The int'l flights are going regardless, because the revenue gained from that roundtrip will outweigh the loss of not those left behind. Many of these int'l destinations make a considerable amount of their revenue from cargo. So don't beat up on DCI too badly, it's an effective plan that Delta uses.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Here's what happened. ASA's completion factor remained high on ourASA because the cancellations were "pre-cancels" at the behest of Delta. Meaning, Delta requested all DCI carriers cancel flights arriving into ATL in the evening hours to minimize both ramp congestion/gate congestion and the de-icing situation. Those cancellations do not penalize the DCI carriers performance numbers for that reason. A lot of shuttle america flights and freedom flights were canceled in the evening hours and as a result the morning after. It's nothing new for snowstorms. NWA does this to PCL, American to eagle, and Continental to Xjet. Yes, part of the reason is to preserve the finite supply of de-ice fluid. The int'l flights are going regardless, because the revenue gained from that roundtrip will outweigh the loss of not those left behind. Many of these int'l destinations make a considerable amount of their revenue from cargo. So don't beat up on DCI too badly, it's an effective plan that Delta uses.

Have you been scouted by management? Come on, what did you do with the real Captain Oveur?

 

[Cpt Oveur]

I'm just saying, that this is not one of the great examples of an ASA management screw up, this is Delta's doing. It really makes ASA look bad, but as you so eloquently put it, "Delta owns all the seats."

 

[SpauldingSmails]

You guys at ASA don't use push brooms and rubber hoses to de-ice?

 

[Cpt Oveur]

hot cups of coffee and credit cards