ASA/XJT update

[crazy8]

Clutch...I'd like to meet you and see you call me an 'unreasonable dick' to my face....tough guy. Really, I would. Shoot me a PM, we can figure out a place, and you can call me an 'unreasonable dick' to my face.

 

[ASADriver]

For those who say XJT is being unreasonable, asking for too much, etc, as far as I know, the MECs have both agreed on what to negotiate for in every single section of the contract except PBS vendor. So if our side is being unreasonable, wouldn't that mean your side has agreed to it as well?

That may be what your side is telling you, but that isn't what our side is telling us "off the record".

 

[ASADriver]

Clutch...I'd like to meet you and see you call me an 'unreasonable dick' to my face....tough guy.

Clutch is only saying something that more and more ASA pilots are thinking as this drags on.

 

[crazy8]

Clutch is only saying something that more and more ASA pilots are thinking as this drags on.

Funny you should say that...because the same sentiment resides on this side of the fence too.

 

[enuffalready]

Funny you should say that...because the same sentiment resides on this side of the fence too.

I say keep them separate.....I like ASA and want nothing to do with your xjt line bidding.

 

[crazy8]

I say keep them separate.....I like ASA and want nothing to do with your xjt line bidding.

Works for me...

 

[JoeMerchant]

I say keep them separate.....I like ASA and want nothing to do with your xjt line bidding.

That's where this is headed....works for me too....

I'll add that I don't want anything to do with their toxic attitudes...I'm quite happy that Skywest Inc. rescued us and don't want to work with people who have no sense of reality...

 

[Clutch]

Clutch...I'd like to meet you and see you call me an 'unreasonable dick' to my face....tough guy. Really, I would. Shoot me a PM, we can figure out a place, and you can call me an 'unreasonable dick' to my face.

You and I both know I'm not going to pm you to meet you in person because logistically that would just be way more difficult than it would be on paper....commuting to Houston or Newark or wherever the fk you are and all.. What I will do, however, is tell any and every xjt pilot I see on the jumpseat, crew van, whatever.. that you dumb mother fkers are being unreasonable dicks.. You on the other hand, I'll refer to you as an unreasonable quim-toed dildomelon..
We'll discuss it from there..

 

[crazy8]

You and I both know I'm not going to pm you to meet you in person because logistically that would just be way more difficult than it would be on paper....commuting to Houston or Newark or wherever the fk you are and all.. What I will do, however, is tell any and every xjt pilot I see on the jumpseat, crew van, whatever.. that you dumb mother fkers are being unreasonable dicks.. You on the other hand, I'll refer to you as an unreasonable quim-toed dildomelon..
We'll discuss it from there..

Ok, you can call me unreasonable quim-toed dildomelon, I'll just call you a fukcin pus$y from now on. Fair enough?

 

[Clutch]

Ok, you can call me unreasonable quim-toed dildomelon, I'll just call a fukcin pus$y from now on. Fair enough?

Yeah, that made a lot of sense.

 

[www.]

Clutch...I'd like to meet you and see you call me an 'unreasonable dick' to my face....tough guy. Really, I would. Shoot me a PM, we can figure out a place, and you can call me an 'unreasonable dick' to my face.

really..really

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Ok, you can call me unreasonable quim-toed dildomelon, I'll just call you a fukcin pus$y from now on. Fair enough?

Don't expect Clutch to come out and meet you. He talks the big talk behind his screen name, but he won't come out of his hole. Anyone can talk big when they are anonymous.

 

[Clutch]

Don't expect Clutch to come out and meet you. He talks the big talk behind his screen name, but he won't come out of his hole. Anyone can talk big when they are anonymous.

I know who you are. So what. U mad bro?

 

[ASA_Aviator]

I know who you are. So what. U mad bro?

Nah. I just think you're a coward.

 

[Clutch]

Cool.

 

[LHRCrewDog]

You and I both know I'm not going to pm you to meet you in person because logistically that would just be way more difficult than it would be on paper....commuting to Houston or Newark or wherever the fk you are and all.. What I will do, however, is tell any and every xjt pilot I see on the jumpseat, crew van, whatever.. that you dumb mother fkers are being unreasonable dicks.. You on the other hand, I'll refer to you as an unreasonable quim-toed dildomelon..
We'll discuss it from there..

I would probably keep the venting to flightinfo and not in person. At this point, and after a really long day, neither side needs to hear someone explain what their position is supposed to be. Had one of your guys do that to me in Richmond a while back. Seriously, I wondered, who the f... does he think he is. I did not think anything bad about asa, but just how stupid of an individual he was.

 

[Nevets]

That may be what your side is telling you, but that isn't what our side is telling us "off the record".

Show me the email that explains why the XJT members if the JNC or the XJT MEC are being unreasonable! Until then, what you say doesn't mean anything. What I can tell you as fact is that both MECs have come to agreement on what to negotiate for in every section (and actually TAd some sections), except for one clause in one section.

So tell me, why is it unreasonable for 66% of us not to want to take a concession from what we have? Seems as though the MECs agree.

 

[Nevets]

What I will do, however, is tell any and every xjt pilot I see on the jumpseat, crew van, whatever.. that you dumb mother fkers are being unreasonable dicks...

Go ahead and tell me what an unreasonable dick I'm being while your sitting on the Jumpseat. I'll just rebut you to no end using facts and logic because I know you can't answer without calling people childish names. You can't even answer my simple question. I'll just laugh at you and your silly diatribes while I watch your reaction.

 

[sunlitpath]

The jumpseat is not a good place to have these discussions. The mind may become preoccupied; crews may miss altitude, heading, or other important clearances. These types of forums are more appropriate for these debates. Face to face meetings are only feasible if both parties are mature enough to keep the discussion at a verbal exchange, without silly threats and brinkmanship...

 

[Ops check good]

10 rounds of bare knuckle boxing is the only way for you guys to fix this.


To quote Red Forman: "If your not mad enough to bare knuckle box then you are not really that mad!"

 

[CEO silly sap]

when i got hired at ASA many moons ago, i remember similar rhetoric coming from Comair.. some of you guys really need to know where you work. We do NOT have the same leverage as Delta, etc pilots... we just dont... and never will. understanding that, and little dose of the real world would be great for some of you ..

i enjoy ASA, i stayed here for a reason. I dont expect 22 days off, duty/trip rigs of 7 hours and $3 an hour per diem..i dont know. Maybe my experience in corporate finance before i came here made me too rational. I learned long ago, that when your company makes money, you have a job.

You came from finance and ended up at ASA .... What a moron

 

[701EV]

You came from finance and ended up at ASA .... What a moron

CEO silly sap, be careful who you call a moron. Some of us do other things besides fly airplanes. My bet is enuffalready still works in finance and flying airplane is a hobby.

 

[g-code]

You and I both know I'm not going to pm you to meet you in person because logistically that would just be way more difficult than it would be on paper....commuting to Houston or Newark or wherever the fk you are and all.. What I will do, however, is tell any and every xjt pilot I see on the jumpseat, crew van, whatever.. that you dumb mother fkers are being unreasonable dicks.. You on the other hand, I'll refer to you as an unreasonable quim-toed dildomelon..
We'll discuss it from there..

Then I will tell you that you are a tool.


Everybody on here getting so f'n worked up needs to stop. It's embarrassing from all of you. I've had captain tell me "CRJ guys this, CRJ guys that" at work and I tell them that every one of you guys has been a real nice class act. 90% of the guys I fly with don't care if we go PBS IF the language is right. To me our vendor could be a monk in Tibet for all I care if the language is ok.

To sit here and sling mud at each other is retarded when we should be wrapping this whole thing up. To quote a wise woman......

http://youtu.be/ZEf5VFKplzw

 

[dojetdriver]

10 rounds of bare knuckle boxing is the only way for you guys to fix this.


To quote Red Forman: "If your not mad enough to bare knuckle box then you are not really that mad!"

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3rbxy3/

 

[badog]

asa vs xjt vs skywest

Ok let's just agree to get re-assigned by screw scheduling with our personal cell phone, (that the company doesn't pay for), and accept a 1% pay raise, (while paying 13% more for health insurance), all while skywest Inc. posts quarter over quarter profits! Makes sense to me why we are arguing!
Does any of this sound familiar ?
Why wouldn't anyone want to better their pay and work rules?
After all, when Asa negotiated their current contract, guess who's contract they referred to during negotiations with the company?
Asa people? Skywest people ?
By all means, discuss.
Ed.
Xjt ord ca

 

[g-code]

Just got off the phone with my rep. I suggest everyone call theirs.

XJT IAHFO

 

[jonjuan]

10 rounds of bare knuckle boxing is the only way for you guys to fix this.


To quote Red Forman: "If your not mad enough to bare knuckle box then you are not really that mad!"

Bare knuckle box? What is this, the 20s?

 

[blesko]

Looking at where the aircraft are being shuffled, I don't see any additional E-jets over to the Xjet side while additional Crj airframes are added to the Asa side. Not stirring the pot, but its pretty obvious what's going on. Unless the Xjet folks get on one list, it appears as if there will not be any additional flying awarded to that side. Again, this is purely my perception. You guys stick to fistacuffs and your PBS systems, but a 30,000 foot snapshot seems to be warranted. The UA TA has pay rates for the 175/900 and they seem intent to exercise them. I guess you have to decide where you want to wind up in a few years, management already knows where they want to be.....

 

[Ops check good]

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3rbxy3/

That is f-ing funny! I almost spit my breakfast on the computer. Awsome.

 

[Baronman]

Looking at where the aircraft are being shuffled, I don't see any additional E-jets over to the Xjet side while additional Crj airframes are added to the Asa side. Not stirring the pot, but its pretty obvious what's going on. Unless the Xjet folks get on one list, it appears as if there will not be any additional flying awarded to that side. Again, this is purely my perception. You guys stick to fistacuffs and your PBS systems, but a 30,000 foot snapshot seems to be warranted. The UA TA has pay rates for the 175/900 and they seem intent to exercise them. I guess you have to decide where you want to wind up in a few years, management already knows where they want to be.....

Additional aircraft were added to the ASA side logically because 1. Comair went out of business and had additional CRJ flying to do with their airplanes. 2. You guys had dead CRJs sitting around to do a little Eagle flying with. All of XJTs planes are spoken for aside from some of the 37 seaters....of which some were brought back recently from the desert. I haven't seen much new United flying doled out or ERJ flying so I don't think we've lost on many opportunities.

As for the 175/900...Delta has pay rates for them too. I've yet to meet a Delta CRJ900 pilot nor do I think you'll see one soon.

Management doesn't want CRJ900's flown by mainline pilots. If they had it their way EVERYTHING would be flown by feeder pilots. On this point I think you're confused.

As for PBS....we see it as a concession. For a yes vote on a contract including PBS (for me) I'd expect significant improvements in other sections and very good language in it's implementation.