ASA/XJT Pilots- Who's financially prepared to walk?

[Max Q]

Getting pretty tired of the scare tactics. Our jobs can be stressful enough without the union/management intimidation. Since my first job as a commercial pilot, I have always kept a backup plan and a steady alternate source of income.

If the intimidation and scare tactics continue to a point at which the paycheck is no longer worth enduring the stress, I plan on telling XJT and this entire industry to shove it. After a decade of pulling in less than $20/hr flying, that point is drawing very near. The prospect of pay-cuts and further degradation of the already piss-poor working environment have me very excited at the idea of taking side work full time.

I am curious to see how many on here have something to fall back on TODAY.

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Getting pretty tired of the scare tactics. Our jobs can be stressful enough without the union/management intimidation. Since my first job as a commercial pilot, I have always kept a backup plan and a steady alternate source of income.

If the intimidation and scare tactics continue to a point at which the paycheck is no longer worth enduring the stress, I plan on telling XJT and this entire industry to shove it. After a decade of pulling in less than $20/hr flying, that point is drawing very near. The prospect of pay-cuts and further degradation of the already piss-poor working environment have me very excited at the idea of taking side work full time.

I am curious to see how many on here have something to fall back on TODAY.

Yea, that will teach them.....

 

[Max Q]

Teach them? You don't read so well, do you...

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Teach them? You don't read so well, do you...

Ya I can read just fine, what part of my response are you confused about? The fact you want to walk away, acting like for some reason that will teach them a lesson?

 

[Pasturepilot]

I wasn't financially prepared when I got furloughed in '09, even though I saw the writing on the wall. I didn't miss a day of work in the transition. Now, my finances are a little better and I have backup plans: Two in aviation and two of them out of aviation. I haven't missed a meal yet in this business and don't plan to start now.

 

[Freebrd]

Yea, that will teach them.....

management troll

NO!

 

[Max Q]

Ya I can read just fine, what part of my response are you confused about? The fact you want to walk away, acting like for some reason that will teach them a lesson?

You are the one that is confused. Where did I suggest that my intentions for leaving were to "teach them a lesson"? Here, I'll break it down for you.

1) Fear tactics/intimidation and poor pay/QOL are bad

2) Backup plans are good

3) When deteriorating working conditions no longer justify pay, resort to backup plan

4) Who else has a backup plan?

 

[Mercyful Fate]

You are the one that is confused. Where did I suggest that my intentions for leaving were to "teach them a lesson"? Here, I'll break it down for you.

1) Fear tactics/intimidation and poor pay/QOL are bad

2) Backup plans are good

3) When deteriorating working conditions no longer justify pay, resort to backup plan

4) Who else has a backup plan?

Sarcasm not your strong point? Guess not....

 

[Max Q]

No Mercyful Fate. Actually, you are right.

I've spent my entire life learning how to do **** outside of flying so that one day I can teach management a lesson.

 

[Mercyful Fate]

No Mercyful Fate. Actually, you are right.

I've spent my entire life learning how to do **** outside of flying so that one day I can teach management a lesson.

Go take a midol and relax...you are way too high strung....

 

[Max Q]

Okay, so back to things outside of Mercyful Fate's complete lack of reading comprehension.

 

[Mercyful Fate]

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[Freebrd]

Friggin' comedian....troll!

NO!

 

[Nevets]

I've got a strike fund. I just got an "on-call" job as well. And I still have contacts at my previous two jobs. And I also have a back up plan to that, that I hope I don't have to pull the trigger on. Not to mention that I've got apps at all the majors. But I guess I can always deliver pizzas while I go back to school. Or there's always unemployment, right?

 

[Mickey Mouse]

Getting pretty tired of the scare tactics. Our jobs can be stressful enough without the union/management intimidation. Since my first job as a commercial pilot, I have always kept a backup plan and a steady alternate source of income.

If the intimidation and scare tactics continue to a point at which the paycheck is no longer worth enduring the stress, I plan on telling XJT and this entire industry to shove it. After a decade of pulling in less than $20/hr flying, that point is drawing very near. The prospect of pay-cuts and further degradation of the already piss-poor working environment have me very excited at the idea of taking side work full time.

I am curious to see how many on here have something to fall back on TODAY.

It's good that you are thinking of an end game strategy. We won't have to walk. We can just vote NO and renegotiate. I think this TA could be fixed in a matter of days. Clean up the language, fix the vacation issues, fix the duty-rig issues, and a few other things. It doesn't matter how long it takes them to fix the TA. We will be operating under current book the whole time. Airplanes will be moved around regardless of the outcome of this TA vote.

 

[SoberIrishman]

Well said sir!

 

[twott driver]

Merciful Fate is SH during one of his productive periods at work. It could actually be a collaboration between SH and CT. Heaven forbid they actually try and run an efficient airline. No, that would be too much like hard work.

Let's see, pilot costs between Skywest and Xjt are pretty comparable. The only difference between them is the management group really. So where does the company need to take cuts again? I'd say it starts with BH and works it's way down until you hit the #1 seniority pilot. That should just about take care of the expensive dead wood

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Merciful Fate is SH during one of his productive periods at work. It could actually be a collaboration between SH and CT. Heaven forbid they actually try and run an efficient airline. No, that would be too much like hard work.

Let's see, pilot costs between Skywest and Xjt are pretty comparable. The only difference between them is the management group really. So where does the company need to take cuts again? I'd say it starts with BH and works it's way down until you hit the #1 seniority pilot. That should just about take care of the expensive dead wood

Ahhhh, no need to use code! Lets hear it!!

Also, its Mercyful not Merciful...

 

[Clutch]

God, shut the fck up

 

[CFIT]

I like the idea that it's the ball sak known as the genital!

 

[jetstream]

Wow. It took exactly the first three posts and this thread had turned into a pissing match between two posters.

 

[Gulf-front]

Heads up.. We have some work to do. To many "yes" voters in ATL. I was down in the crew room and dropped a book on the floor. Half the pilots in the room, clucked, flapped their arms and perched on the backs of chairs!

 

[Freebrd]

Also, its Mercyful not Merciful...

More like "Mercy-Full-Of-It"!

The new Oys Yo Yo!

 

[spudskier]

Back-up plans:
1. SkyWest (who will get our planes)
2. Compass
3. Mesa
4. GoJets
5. Go back to my previous career (don't really want to but it's there if I need it and pays better than a regional)

 

[Tank Commander]

Manage your career, Don't let the airlines do it. You know what you need to further your career. go get it. More doors are about to open, then people to walk threw them.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Admittedly, no dog in this fight.

Something to consider with this T/A:

Planes may go to SkyWest anyway. Forcing costs down at XJT may merely be the perfect management excuse to force a paycut on the SkyWest pilots.

Sure, there's no contract over there, but it seems more credible if management can say, "Look, times are tight, the XJT guys had to take a haircut and unfortunately we need to do the same here at SkyWest."

 

[Clutch]

The only concessions are on the scheduling side of things.

 

[buscap]

The only concessions are on the scheduling side of things.

I believe you have not read the TA. Many concessions lie outside scheduling and amount to outright paycuts.

For example, changes to vacation low will cost a 10 year Captain at least $3,800 annually, in order to maintain current QOL.

Loss of of duty rigs is a paycut.

There are others. Just read the TA.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

The only concessions are on the scheduling side of things.

Everything is gutted.

People are saying the 401k is "improved". Do the math, it's the same numbers.

The message is clear. They want a shutdown, just like Comair. The best course of action is to keep what we have and ride it out (preferably getting on with a legacy or anything in the process).

I'm voting no, and I think I just don't care what the outcome. We've seen it before: the E-175 at the hangar, demands for concessions, management pay raises as they see this sinking ship to its underwater grave...

 

[Clutch]

I believe you have not read the TA. Many concessions lie outside scheduling and amount to outright paycuts.

For example, changes to vacation low will cost a 10 year Captain at least $3,800 annually, in order to maintain current QOL.

Loss of of duty rigs is a paycut.

There are others. Just read the TA.

I've read it more than most. Most people think that block out will change because they are going off what others say or haven't even read the current contract we work under now.

No duty-rigs suck. Vacation low loss sucks. But really all the crappy changes are scheduling related, ie they want to use us more.