ASA/XJT MEC conflict

[badog]

I think many r starring to regret that WE BOUGHT U!
Should have just let XJT run it's course (Independence Air) & picked up the peaces after the implosion.
Now u guys r going to screw it up for all of us. Think u guys easily forget the path u were on before WE BOUGHT U! U should remember that.

Easy Francis, don't be such a worm. If we listened to your mentality, then, "The company", could notify us of a re assignment via voice mail! My question is, Does the company pay your phone bill? Thats the kind of crap xjt pilots won't stand for and asa seems to fall for every time. Face it, we may just save all of our collective arses by being demanding. Go crawl back under your rock.

 

[aircombat]

worm is putting it nicely. Unfortunately there are way to many people like him with the same ignorant attitude.

 

[pilotkppsg]

I think many r starring to regret that WE BOUGHT U!
Should have just let XJT run it's course (Independence Air) & picked up the peaces after the implosion.
Now u guys r going to screw it up for all of us. Think u guys easily forget the path u were on before WE BOUGHT U! U should remember that.

You didn't buy US, Skywest did, not the ASA pilot group. Let's not make this a 'you vs us' argument here. I'm not sure what kind of Kool Aid they've been sending out in ASA MEC blastmails or posting on this message board. XJT shut down branded long before being purchased by skywest and don't forget the board rejected their proposal a year earlier.

Now, I think a great many of you on here have (or have been led to believe) the wrong idea about ExpressJet pilots. Labeling us as 'militant' or out to 'screw you up' is unfair and slanderous. What exactly are we going to screw up? Trying to get a fair and equatable seniority list integration between the larger pilot group and the smaller one? Trying to get a liveable contract for everyone because we are still under concessions and ya'll's work rules are largely inferior to our Contract 04's? Standing up to management on the 'check in' requirement which was a direct violation to our hard-fought contract? BTW to the poster who doesn't see the check in as a big deal, try commuting to EWR when they're running delays and barely making it in in time to grab the walk around and push WITHOUT having to 'check in' on a company computer 20 mins away. Printing a pairing on that retarded Sked+ is last on my to do list.

There's a lot of ASA pilots on here. As I see it this is essentially ya'lls version of our crack pipe (message board) so i'm bringing the olive branch with me. Work with us, don't listen to management's banter about how we are trying to sink the ship and we will cost you flying. We parked planes only a couple years ago, 37 in fact and just sold another 3 more. So, we know EXACTLY how frustrating it is watching a crap operator (CHQ or Go Jets) yank flying that used to be done by us while furloughing and downgrading pilots. It's not fun and we want that to NEVER occur at EITHER carrier.

 

[Flyer1015]

At Pinnacle, PBS doesn't do anything for the bottom barrel of a group. Then the higher you go, the better it gets. When I was 2/3 up on the list, about 66% in base, I was more or less getting lots of things I bid for. But once I was in the top half, I started to get almost everything. Now that I'm in the top third, I get each and every single thing I ask for, and some more! Those who beotch and moan about PBS usually goof something up in their bid, or just don't know how to score options properly. I've had great results with PBS.

 

[NotTooBad]

Dear XJT Pilots,

I apologize for the remarks made on this forum. Please remember there are a select few retards that attempt to represent the entire ASA pilot group and unfortunately they tend to be the loudest. I hope you realize that 99% of us are as sensible as 99% of you.

Best regards,


The rest of us

 

[dojetdriver]

uess we are going to be like USAir/AWA or more recently Air Tran/SWA.

Not even close. Those companies have MASSIVE longevity differences, ASA/XJT's don't even come close to the kind of issues those places have. Never mind the MASSIVE gaps in pay rates on the SW/AT side.

Look, the ASA pilots said that there is no way in Hell that management would give up the requirement that XJT check in at the airport. After a little conversation about how XJT pilots NEGOTIATED away the check-in requirement and a little arm twisting then POOF no check-in.

Well, for 6 months anyway......

The problem with your logic, or lack thereof, is that compared to other regionals that we compete with, our QOL is already better. In fact, your reserve rules are better than Delta's reserve rules

And therein lies a bit a hurdle some need to see past. Anything LESS than what the XJT contract has now is a concession. Plain and simple, end of story. The majority of the pilots on to be combined seniority list have ALREADY taken them.

Should have just let XJT run it's course (Independence Air) & picked up the peaces after the implosion.
Now u guys r going to screw it up for all of us. Think u guys easily forget the path u were on before WE BOUGHT U! U should remember that.

Ignorance is bliss. I-Air was NOWHERE near XJT before being acquired by SkyWest holdings. As far as picking up the pieces, you ever heard of McCaskill?

My point is that before we bought u we seemed to be doing fine... ASA/SKW did not buy u for ur excellent opperation....

The other guy dealt with this, but wait, hold on. Did YOU personally buy XJT, or did SkyWest holdings buy XJT? Were you Waterski before wherever you are now? Because if you were, I'd think you'd of had your fill of getting your conrhole pounded by Hulas that you wouldn't stand for getting walked on anymore.

Dear XJT Pilots,

I apologize for the remarks made on this forum. Please remember there are a select few retards that attempt to represent the entire ASA pilot group and unfortunately they tend to be the loudest. I hope you realize that 99% of us are as sensible as 99% of you.

Best regards,


The rest of us

Thanks, no worries. You don't need to apologize for the ASA group. All the ones I run into seem to be good dudes and pretty much want all the same things, a good contract

 

[resetjet]

Dear XJT Pilots,

I apologize for the remarks made on this forum. Please remember there are a select few retards that attempt to represent the entire ASA pilot group and unfortunately they tend to be the loudest. I hope you realize that 99% of us are as sensible as 99% of you.

Best regards,


The rest of us

This right here ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[nerjdriver]

Yes there was some serious disagreements at the meeting last week. There are 2 different issue.

The first is a big difference in what the 2 MECs think is achievable in this contract. XJT MEC has a "burn the house down" mentality and isn't being realistic.

The second issue is the seniority list integration. The instructor integration didn't go well. XJT again IMO was being unrealistic. ASA was willing to send it to arbitration.

There is much tension between the two MECs. I guess we are going to be like USAir/AWA or more recently Air Tran/SWA.

I hope so. My contract is MUcH better than yours and you are shrinking. You guys are morons

 

[sunlitpath]

ExpressJet is gay. F this, let's rumble...

 

[twott driver]

ExpressJet is gay. F this, let's rumble...

:laugh: :bomb:

 

[COOPERVANE]

http://www.hulu.com/watch/278945/saturday-night-live-cobras-and-panthers

 

[rjacobs]

I am one XJT guy who will vote down anything in the new contract that is not an improvement. I will sit on our current contract 04 until the doors close on this place. I dont think I am being militant in my thinking, just that I am not willing to take ANY concessions just to get this merger done. I know there are A LOT of XJT guys with my way of thinking.

Didnt SKW inc say they were going to make 50 million a year from us once the merger was complete? SHOW ME THE MONEY.

 

[screamingpax]

XJT has as many lifers as ASA, everyone wants the company to be viable.

Are you kidding?? Have you seen the ASA seniority list?

 

[drinksonme]

Jerry will never let his baby (SKW) be tanted by the likes of XJT or ASA. Get past the one list ideas, and lets spend of barganing chips on more attainable things like QOL and Scheduling.
Another little birdy told me that SH came into the last negociation and told them that PBS WAS going to be in the next contract, dont even waste our time trying to get XJT line system. I know u XJT guys hate the thought of PBS, but the fact is MGMT will not sign a contract that doesnt include it.... Think he is tipping his hand a little by saying this... he is telling us how important PBS is to them, and thus we should use this to get some other things we want in the contract....

Hahahaha....admit it, you have no idea what is going on. Nevermind, you do not have to based on your SH reference. Maybe you should read the JNC updates instead of the 8 pages waste of money, glossy, kool aid, ASA/Inetek booklets. They are not even negotiating Scheduling yet. From what I understand, the management you love is stonewalling things because we are actually not accepting the turds they keep throwing out, basically because they have no idea of what they are doing. Fighting over DHD'ing and foreign flying by the company, because they do not want to guarantee seats or understand what foreign flying means is laughable. No wonder the union walked away. Fighting over that stuff is a waste of time so might as well go play golf. Heard it from many places, mainly not the union, that ASA management takes things one day at a time because that is all they are capable of and organized to do. Let me take the rose colored glasses off for you.

Reference the fact that losing the 700's was a surpise to them. Really, a surprise, because they were being utilized so well. MX cancellations, staffing issues, customer service problems, etc...all made Delta's problem. You can say cost all you want, but at the end of the day, if they had been used properly, Delta would have paid slightly more to not have to bring in another regional. We all know what a cluster a start up of operations can be. You could also look at this weeks meltdown in the UAX system because ASA did not understand, nor could it interface with, the flight assignment, number, and schedule changes made by United...really. THAT caught them off guard! Cancellations beyond belief and we looked bad, bad, bad to United. It was fun hearing the stories of 3 crews assigned to a flight that did not exist. How bout forcing Rainmaker on us without testing it, leading to thousands of pay claims because our contract was not understood. ASA had no idea, or was caught off guard, that we could trade below 75/hr min, or put in pay for DHD to/from training, or missed that our pay is on main cabin door open, or customs pay is not there, or that Rainmaker is not automatically adding Junior Man pay...and this just scratches the surface. Do not even get me started on what they think proper staffing is either. Face it, ASA was not prepared to "buy us" as you say. SKYW bought us and dropped us in the lap of your guys, which main concern was underbidding GoJet types. All of this to avoid SLI and a possible union at SKYW airlines.

I am really glad to know that the majority of ASA folks are not like you. You really live in clouds and wear blinders because you are so glad to have a job. If you think XJT pilots will sign a contract just because ASA says so, you are nuts. All the low blows you want to throw will not change that. Get this through your head, XJT pilots will not sign a contract out of fear, threats, or force. If you really are worried, re-think your life decisions, polish resume, and get started with interview prep courses. I could care less about what you think is reasonable or not. I, and the majority of the XJT pilots are not here to make managements job easier, or secure your future.

 

[Nevets]

A little birdie told me the joint ASA/XJT meeting in ATL didn't go so well...I'll let everyone take a guess on which MEC is being reasonable. I understand one MEC member was kicked out of the meeting and 1 MEC walked out.

No MEC member can be kicked out of an MEC meeting. Maybe you meant that an MEC member walked out on his/her own in disgust?

Anyways, my guess is that there is one group who wont even LOOK at line bidding while the other one is open to PBS. Who do you think is the unreasonable group there? Keep in mind, that the XJT pilot group will probably ratify any TA that is concessionary in nature. I think the XJT MEC understands that and the ASA MEC must also understand that if they want to move forward in these negotiations.