ASA to still furlough?

[enuffalready]

It appears those in the know say that we are still going to furlough... if we get the one 70 back and 10 new frames, even if they draw down schedule. Seem strange.... any thoughts?

 

[bailout]

Well, youre losing 20 200s also...

 

[Smacktard]

Well, youre losing 20 200s also...

Come on, this is FI. Don't you mean 'loosing'?

 

[Snapperhead]

I guess we'll find out tomorrow, January 2nd. I'm hoping for "no news is good news".

 

[flyboyzz1]

but the 1st of 20 isn't leaving until 2010...have a feeling those at ASA are safe.

 

[Abernathy]

I guess we'll find out tomorrow, January 2nd. I'm hoping for "no news is good news".

Tomorrow's the 1st.

 

[Tarzan]

Tomorrow's the 1st.

I guess you haven't been around long. Everyone knows if it is entered in the Hallowed Halls of FI it must, in fact, be the truth. Pull your head out and get with the program! Tomorrow is now the second of January. Good news is, I'm already into the second day of my three day!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Originally to furlough on 1/2 (around 167)....That has been postponed while they re-crunch the new numbers....

 

[ASApuppy]

By my math, the CRJ-900 airframes don't equal the ATR (10 vs. 12) that we just recently got rid of. All ATR pilots absorbed into CRJ list. Before that happened we were so fat on pilots that I know of FO's that had to maintain currency in the Simulator. I did a pro-check a few months back with a guy that had not been called out in 75 days. All this on the busy summer schedule. 10 planes needs 50 CA's, and 50 FO's. We have more than that in excess.

I hate to say it, but a furlough may be on the plate. I think with management knowing that the voluntary furlough lasting until spring 2010, they are predicting that Mainline might not hire until then. The 900's may just be to lessen the sting of a possible furlough.

 

[1080P]

Before that happened we were so fat on pilots that I know of FO's that had to maintain currency in the Simulator. I did a pro-check a few months back with a guy that had not been called out in 75 days.

Those f/o's were sent back to training b/c they needed additional training per LCP that flew with them, it wasn't to maintain currency.

 

[flynryan15]

Sorry guys it sucks and the job market is nada:uzi:

 

[Abernathy]

Originally to furlough on 1/2 (around 167)....That has been postponed while they re-crunch the new numbers....

The new numbers higher or lower?

I thought the original number was 137. The number on property after the new contract.

 

[outtahere]

Personally I don't see a fourlough right now. For a fourlough to be cost effective it needs to be several months in duration, and with the unknowns out there like Mesa, and Delta possibly dumping another regional, I think we will keep what we have. I have heard that the 700 is short staffed, not sure if that is accurate, if that is the case then adding 10 900's will just add to that and cause atleast some transfers from the 50. Add that to the fact that the company can only fourlough 150 or so do to the no fourlough clause, and now it really doesn't make sense to unload 50 low paid FO's. Hopefully the volutary stuff will net some looking for a long absense. The guys here that are doing this for fun, like the Doctor who is an FO, and a couple of practicing lawyers will take the long LOA. Lets hope that our leadership wants to keep everybody here as long as possible, even if it means 75 hours for everybody else through the summer.

 

[flyboyzz1]

at SKW the number is 1 year 1 month for the furlough to be cost effective.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Well, I think that yes there will be, but they may delay them a little bit to see if they can win some more 900 flying that is going to be out for bid in a month or two. Long term hope for the majors to start hiring, or yes you will see a lot of people hit the street.

 

[Long Time Gone]

Personally I don't see a fourlough right now. For a fourlough to be cost effective it needs to be several months in duration, and with the unknowns out there like Mesa, and Delta possibly dumping another regional, I think we will keep what we have. I have heard that the 700 is short staffed, not sure if that is accurate, if that is the case then adding 10 900's will just add to that and cause atleast some transfers from the 50. Add that to the fact that the company can only fourlough 150 or so do to the no fourlough clause, and now it really doesn't make sense to unload 50 low paid FO's. Hopefully the volutary stuff will net some looking for a long absense. The guys here that are doing this for fun, like the Doctor who is an FO, and a couple of practicing lawyers will take the long LOA. Lets hope that our leadership wants to keep everybody here as long as possible, even if it means 75 hours for everybody else through the summer.

WTF is a "four lough"??? Lots of things do come to mind.....

 

[Snapperhead]

Tomorrow's the 1st.

Sorry, my bad.

 

[Tarzan]

Sorry, my bad.

Tarzan, your right I haven't been around long; 12 years now seems like yesterday. Thanks for correcting me, now I feel better. I'll go back to lurker status now.

P.S. How long have you been around?

On FI? Long enough to not take very much seriously here.

Aviatin' for 7 now. Did a few years in the military prior to this gig. Better places to sleep flying planes for sure. Fighting positions and poncho liners just don't measure up to Crown Plaza's or even Holiday Inn's.

 

[Snapperhead]

Joe,
I heard almost the same thing as you posted. Cancelling the furlough announcement on the 2nd; but, nothing about recrunching the numbers. Hope you are wrong. Happy New Year all.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

50 notices go out Friday morning, January 2nd

 

[rightseatjocky]

Capt.
Source please?

 

[Tarzan]

What I am curious about is if any FOs that may be affected by this, received any warning letters.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

thirty days notice is all thats required. We'll see how many get to bid for febuary

 

[USCtrojan]

50 notices go out Friday morning, January 2nd

Unfortunately, if SkyWest Inc. is gonna furlough, my feeling is they will furlough ASA first. Hopefully it won't happen at all, but if it does, it will be miniscule. SkyWest is up to 600 pilots overstaffed. Their burden is much higher, but expect to see furloughs there if ASA furloughs. Inc will not furlough the "golden children" while not furloughing the "red headed step child." Inc. will never justify a Union presence, ever. This is the way the game is played and Jerry and Co. are much better at it than any pilot, and virtually anyone else in the Industry.

Trojan

 

[CFI2766]

thirty days notice is all thats required. We'll see how many get to bid for febuary

D@mn. Not good.

Hope this is short.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

When it happens it should be for about 12-18 months. I see a need for people going out the top for a need on the bottom.

 

[1080P]

I see a need for people going out the top for a need on the bottom.

Totally missed it????????

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Majors will need to hire for there to be a need to hire new Rj FO's. DCI is shrinking, plain and simple. More 900's but about a 1 for 2 to 50 seat jets.

 

[flyboyzz1]

600 pilots overstaffed at skywest...come on that isn't right. I thought it was like 200-300.

 

[Papa Woody]

Majors will need to hire for there to be a need to hire new Rj FO's. DCI is shrinking, plain and simple. More 900's but about a 1 for 2 to 50 seat jets.

But the '900 has a Flight Engineer, right?

I mean, how can just 2 guys fly such a big jet?....it isn't safe!