ASA to pull out of DFW

[FN FAL]

It was very senior 4 years ago, but has gone fairly junior since that time.

Thanks! One of our CFI's from Wisconsin Aviation got on with ASA a few years ago.

 

[mikecanfly]

any guesses on how junior/senior Salt Lake might go?

 

[ASADFW7]

No real good news

Salt Lake should go junior, early words(BS) from the CP it will be 70 seat base only. You would think commuting will be nuts, so it is anyones guess. With Mother D cutting back DFW is just another city, so AC size will be anyone's guess come January 05.

I want to throw up!

 

[ProLine4]

From Skips memo....

"Due to these changes, ASA will be asked to execute what is to be the largest operational shift in its history – moving 57 aircraft from DFW to new operational roles in Atlanta, Cincinnati and Salt Lake City. With the January changes, Atlanta will represent more than 76 percent of ASA system operations – up from 62 percent today. Salt Lake City, meanwhile, will become the home for 19 CRJ700 aircraft and more than 385 ASA pilots, flight attendants and mechanics. And Cincinnati will feature more than 60 ASA flights, with the operation being supported through Atlanta."

Side note- Total job loss as reported on news (probably wrong) is 2,100 DFW jobs affected today. DFW daily ops will go from 256 to 21...ATL SLC CVG service only.

 

[regionalcap]

Sure glad I just moved my wife and I 1/2 way across the country to Dallas and bought a $175,000 home in a neighborhood we like just to get kicked in the nuts like this!!! Thanks ASA!


This is going to be REAL FUN watching 100's maybe 1,000's of ASA and Delta people commuting out of DFW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

It will be pretty much only offline commuting. SLC is only going to be a 70 seat base. Everyone else will go to ATL.

 

[PlanoPilot]

Reserve & Commuting to ATL

I have a class date in three weeks with ASA. I already live in the Dallas area so ASA's DFW base and the ever-shorter reserve times here were going to work out well for me. Now...ugh.

So a couple of questions if anyone can answer:

1) I've read in other threads that the time on reserve on the CRJ-200 in ATL is running anywhere from 18 to 30 months. With most of the DFW RJs and pilots moving to ATL, will reserve time there get longer or shorter? And by how much, do you think?

2) With a six days on/two days off schedule, is it even feasible to commute from DFW to ATL, especially once there are no more DAL/DCI flights between those cities?

 

[Propsync]

Yikes!

Wow, bad news to/for all. Good luck in the transition. Curious...

1. Is the ASA contract up next? Seems like it could be a little whipsaw choosing you guys to go to SLC.

2. Were the loads from what you could see (as an average, I guess) low enough to kind of support this dehub plan?


I know Delta's hurting, and maybe they will become more efficient by closing DFW. Less employees, less empty airplanes (maybe). Makes you wonder if United should be doing this to Dulles right now. I'm sure the Indy guys would agree!

 

[HouseBoy]

1. Reserve...who knows. Depends on too many things...especially whether we still get the 25 CRJs next year and where they end up.

2. Commuting DFW to ATL...I wouldn't do it. It's already hard enough now, just imagine with over 1000 displaced crew (Delta and ASA pilots and FAs) trying to commute to ATL initially...Yikes! Add that on top of significantly reduced flights and you've got problems.

Well good luck with your decision to make now...at least they didn't announce it just after you finished training.

 

[PlanoPilot]

Well good luck with your decision to make now...at least they didn't announce it just after you finished training.

Thanks for your reply.

Yeah, that has occurred to me. I have two friends who started class yesterday...

 

[regionalcap]

Planopilot,

The answer to your second question...impossible.

 

[airksk]

Plano-

Really, the answer to the first question is: God only knows. There's nothing in our recent history that compares to this, so you'll be experiencing something new. As far as the commute, good luck. With the schedule chopped, and hundreds of others giving it a shot, I wouldn't try it for anything. Hope it all works out for you.

 

[English]

I have a class date in three weeks with ASA. I already live in the Dallas area so ASA's DFW base and the ever-shorter reserve times here were going to work out well for me. Now...ugh.

You can always go to Eagle and be relatively guaranteed they won't pull out of DFW any time soon.

 

[IFLYASA]

Just heard from a F/A in DFW that 10 pilots walked out and quit. Whoa! It's absolutely horrible.

 

[ASADFW7]

It is crazy! Ten pilots quit, quick what are their hire dates!

It all makes my head spin. I am getting married in a few months. My luck I will be stuck with Bobby O in training and have to call in sick for my wedding.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Just heard from a F/A in DFW that 10 pilots walked out and quit. Whoa! It's absolutely horrible.

A F/A told you this? I'd wait and verify this rumor.

 

[Swaayze]

I hate this GD industry! I freakin' give up!

 

[shamrock]

It is crazy! Ten pilots quit, quick what are their hire dates!

I almost posted something similar to this as a joke, but didn't want to come across as insensitive.

As someone lucky enough (??) to be based in the ATL I sympathize with all the DFW folks.

Anybody got the number for that truck driving school?

 

[FmrFreightDog]

In all seriousness, guys, when you DO come to Atlanta, be sure to find someone with an ATL badge on a 3 hour productivity break to give you the low down on the city (where to live, where not to live, etc) or the airport (avoid the Wendy's on C, etc) or whatever. It's a lousy situation, I know, but we'll all help however we can.

 

[146guy]

ASA will pay for your moving expenses right?

 

[regionalcap]

They pay if you are involutarily diplaced or you bid SLC.

 

[Anaconda]

or the airport (avoid the Wendy's on C, etc)

what's wrong with the wendy's on C?

 

[FL000]

what's wrong with the wendy's on C?

Nothing, as long as you don't count the pink-haired food prep woman who was bragging about losing weight by snorting coke (no joke).

 

[IFLYASA]

My source...I was talking to a F/A on the phone who was in ops at DFW. They have been giving these talks from senior management to everyone all day. A F/A was listening to all the changes and that's when they said 10 pilots quit today when they found out the news. This is what was relayed to me so I don't have any more info whether this is valid or not. I should know Friday when I start work out there.

 

[CF34-3B1]

My source...I was talking to a F/A on the phone who was in ops at DFW. They have been giving these talks from senior management to everyone all day. A F/A was listening to all the changes and that's when they said 10 pilots quit today when they found out the news. This is what was relayed to me so I don't have any more info whether this is valid or not. I should know Friday when I start work out there.

I don't know about 10, but I was at the informational meeting today with Skip, Drew et al, and talked to 1 senior Capt who told me he was out, and 1 who was undecided, but leaning that way.

CP's were saying SLC would go relatively junior, but we'll have to wait and see. It is definately a CR7 only base, at least initially, so that may change the equation a little. 18 operational and 1 spare CR7 to be based there initially. So that's 90 Capt and 90 FO slots.

Skip and Drew both said all 25 deliveries are still on track for '05, and no pilot, FA or mechanic jobs will be lost, just moved.

Unfortunately, since CMR will be handling our new CVG flying, and SkyWest our SCL flying, the DFW ground people will be looking at a reduction in available positions.

Skip did say that SKYW has agreed to hire some of the DFW people in SLC, there just aren't enough new positions opening to replace the DFW jobs for those guys.

 

[shamrock]

Does this mean the uniform nazi will be moving into the Chief Pilot's office in ATL?

Better go grab some nameplates off the uniforms hanging in the crew lounge. And I guess it's time to track down my hat. I think it's crushed under the golf bag in my trunk. Glad I've got a few months to pull myself together!


BTW
How many 70 seaters do we have in DFW?

 

[CF34-3B1]

Does this mean the uniform nazi will be moving into the Chief Pilot's office in ATL?


BTW
How many 70 seaters do we have in DFW?

Actually I think he's going to SLC. Why do people get so worked up when a CP actually expects us to look 1/2 way decent at work?

There are 56 DFW CR7 Capts, so I'd guess 10 or 11 airplanes currently based there.

 

[shamrock]

I don't think people have a problem with being required to look half way decent at work. It just seems to me that he is, uh, let's say, in more dire need of a hobby than any white man on earth.

 

[rgd]

Actually I think he's going to SLC. Why do people get so worked up when a CP actually expects us to look 1/2 way decent at work?

There are 56 DFW CR7 Capts, so I'd guess 10 or 11 airplanes currently based there.

Have you seen the way he dresses??????!!!!!! Give him a horn and a red nose and you would swear it was Happy the clown.

 

[ASA_DFW]

Give the CP a break.. He just wants to see the pilot group looking professional. Before he was CP the pilot group looked embarassing. Pilots with big western belt buckles, hats that were older than me, and ties with all the basic food groups.
I just finished the meeting with Skip and friends. Here are the highlights:

-90 captain and FO positions in SLC (19 CRJ7) 180 Flight attendant positions
-15 CRJ7 in CVG, crews will rotate through from ATL
-All remaining RJ will be based in ATL
-Drew said there will be a vacancy and displacement bid. He said there will not be a preliminary award, there will be a blind bid (I don't understand what he meant by that statement but nobody ever understands what he is trying to say).
-MTC workers will have the chance to go to SLC, ATL, MCN, BTR or any other position that might open up.
-The ground guys have the opportunity to work in SLC for Skywest and are able to carry their seniority to Skywest.
-NO paycuts or raises in insurance premiums

Skip said this all up in the air due to the uncertainties:
1-The Delta pilots giving up 1 billion in concessions.
2-Getting money back from the vendors.

GG is also concerned with the number of Delta retirements. He said there are around 650 pilots eligible for retirement. Who knows?

I wish all the best of luck.

 

[DDpaysoff]

DO Jets

I heard the question asked on this thread earlier. Butrell, told us in a meeting today they will go to Skyway if DAL avoids CH. 11. Comair's bid could not compete with skyway due to some kind of lucrative engine deal skyway has with Pratt and Whitney. Also, he mentioned he did not want to 'burden' comair with the ramp up costs for an equipment type that were not in the long term plans for DCI. I believe 2-3 years was mentioned. If DAL files ch. 11, which could happen in as early as 30 days, FLYI will be stuck with the leases. Butrell also mentioned, DAL had the first rights to the US air CHQ planes in the event of liquidation over there. Among other things.