ASA to pull out of DFW

[wood pecker]

How is that commuter clause going to work?

 

[CRJ puppy]

80+ increased DCI flights out of other hubs, 31+ new DCI flights out of "focus" cities...adds up to a little over 120 flights to replace the 200+ DCI flights (although some of these flights are Skywest, Chatauqua and CMR) lost in DFW. 55+ CMR flights lost in ATL, 60+ new ASA flights in CVG (all this info came from the myASA web site). I sure hope it IS the DoJet or Chatauqua that loses out here...though certainly it is Chatauqua that will get the increased flying out of Dayton, Columbus, etc (so probably no net gains or losses)...

Time to get the ol' head out of the sand I guess...

 

[CRJ puppy]

How is that commuter clause going to work?

ASA doesn't have a commuter clause.......

 

[wood pecker]

I know, I guess that is why the company does not want us to have one in the new contract.

 

[airksk]

Glad I didn't make that move to DFW this summer. I wonder if mgmt is having second thoughts about showing up to the ops class for everyone who's got it this month?

 

[Palerider957]

GG also mentioned more point to point flying, so I don't think the current flight schedule is necessarly indicitive of in increase or reduction of DCI flying.


57 more planes to ATL??? Where the hell are we going to park 57 more dam.m planes?!?! It's certainly better than losing the planes, but ramp space and congestion are already a bit.ch.

Now I can see why the company is so dead set against a commuter clause, they knew how many people are going to be displaced, and the are TOTALLY merciless in this. The message is clear, if you can't make it to work F*&K you...find a new job.

I'm really glad we expanded DFW so aggressively the past few years. Could there possibly be anymore stress on DFW people?

 

[exphojump]

I counted 99 daily FRJ flights in the June 1, 2004 timetable.

With Chatauqua placing the EMB170 on their certificate will they be booted like FLYi?

I pray DAL stays out of CH 11.

 

[FN FAL]

Was DFW a junior or senior base for ASA?

 

[Medeco]

IM NOT SURE WHY YOU GUUUYS ARE SO SURE IT IS A REDUCTION IN FLYING?

Sorry I m not yelling.

The memo says the timetable with all the flights will be out sept 18th.

this is a Q&A from the company website.


How much bigger will ASA be at Atlanta?
With the new schedule, ASA will operate 337 daily departures at Atlanta, up from 263 today. Replacing 57 Comair flights with ASA flights will account for much of this growth. ASA also expects to see continued growth at Atlanta in 2005, potentially growing to as many as 500 daily departures by year’s end.How can we handle more aircraft in Atlanta?
As part of Delta’s network restructuring, it also is “depeaking” the schedule at Atlanta to increase the number of flights that can operate at the hub. The new schedule eliminates the traditional “flight bank” system and replaces it with a continuous operation with flight arrivals and departures running continuously throughout an 18-hour day. With the new schedule, Delta and ASA will initially increase flights by 28 percent at Atlanta.

This is just the beginning. They also said no pilot jobs will be lost, that is what matters most to those of us with pilot positions.

 

[FL000]

Was DFW a junior or senior base for ASA?

It was very senior 4 years ago, but has gone fairly junior since that time.

 

[FN FAL]

It was very senior 4 years ago, but has gone fairly junior since that time.

Thanks! One of our CFI's from Wisconsin Aviation got on with ASA a few years ago.

 

[mikecanfly]

any guesses on how junior/senior Salt Lake might go?

 

[ASADFW7]

No real good news

Salt Lake should go junior, early words(BS) from the CP it will be 70 seat base only. You would think commuting will be nuts, so it is anyones guess. With Mother D cutting back DFW is just another city, so AC size will be anyone's guess come January 05.

I want to throw up!

 

[ProLine4]

From Skips memo....

"Due to these changes, ASA will be asked to execute what is to be the largest operational shift in its history – moving 57 aircraft from DFW to new operational roles in Atlanta, Cincinnati and Salt Lake City. With the January changes, Atlanta will represent more than 76 percent of ASA system operations – up from 62 percent today. Salt Lake City, meanwhile, will become the home for 19 CRJ700 aircraft and more than 385 ASA pilots, flight attendants and mechanics. And Cincinnati will feature more than 60 ASA flights, with the operation being supported through Atlanta."

Side note- Total job loss as reported on news (probably wrong) is 2,100 DFW jobs affected today. DFW daily ops will go from 256 to 21...ATL SLC CVG service only.

 

[regionalcap]

Sure glad I just moved my wife and I 1/2 way across the country to Dallas and bought a $175,000 home in a neighborhood we like just to get kicked in the nuts like this!!! Thanks ASA!


This is going to be REAL FUN watching 100's maybe 1,000's of ASA and Delta people commuting out of DFW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

It will be pretty much only offline commuting. SLC is only going to be a 70 seat base. Everyone else will go to ATL.

 

[PlanoPilot]

Reserve & Commuting to ATL

I have a class date in three weeks with ASA. I already live in the Dallas area so ASA's DFW base and the ever-shorter reserve times here were going to work out well for me. Now...ugh.

So a couple of questions if anyone can answer:

1) I've read in other threads that the time on reserve on the CRJ-200 in ATL is running anywhere from 18 to 30 months. With most of the DFW RJs and pilots moving to ATL, will reserve time there get longer or shorter? And by how much, do you think?

2) With a six days on/two days off schedule, is it even feasible to commute from DFW to ATL, especially once there are no more DAL/DCI flights between those cities?

 

[Propsync]

Yikes!

Wow, bad news to/for all. Good luck in the transition. Curious...

1. Is the ASA contract up next? Seems like it could be a little whipsaw choosing you guys to go to SLC.

2. Were the loads from what you could see (as an average, I guess) low enough to kind of support this dehub plan?


I know Delta's hurting, and maybe they will become more efficient by closing DFW. Less employees, less empty airplanes (maybe). Makes you wonder if United should be doing this to Dulles right now. I'm sure the Indy guys would agree!

 

[HouseBoy]

1. Reserve...who knows. Depends on too many things...especially whether we still get the 25 CRJs next year and where they end up.

2. Commuting DFW to ATL...I wouldn't do it. It's already hard enough now, just imagine with over 1000 displaced crew (Delta and ASA pilots and FAs) trying to commute to ATL initially...Yikes! Add that on top of significantly reduced flights and you've got problems.

Well good luck with your decision to make now...at least they didn't announce it just after you finished training.

 

[PlanoPilot]

Well good luck with your decision to make now...at least they didn't announce it just after you finished training.

Thanks for your reply.

Yeah, that has occurred to me. I have two friends who started class yesterday...

 

[regionalcap]

Planopilot,

The answer to your second question...impossible.