ASA to furlough?

[DrunkIrishman]

I have read some of you saying that you don't operate the way you are required to for whatever reason regarding CI. Have you brought these concerns to your CP? They aren't your airplanes, you just borrow them from time to time. Operate IAW your POH and let the company worry about this crap! That is one of the nice things about our jobs...we don't have to think about this stuff, we just have to do what the procedures say and then we go home. Of course, then there are the abnormal and emergency situations...

 

[Flyin2low]

I've heard that flying your approaches at 100kts saves fuel, but seems to kill a lot of people........

 

[spudskier]

I have read some of you saying that you don't operate the way you are required to for whatever reason regarding CI. Have you brought these concerns to your CP? They aren't your airplanes, you just borrow them from time to time. Operate IAW your POH and let the company worry about this crap! That is one of the nice things about our jobs...we don't have to think about this stuff, we just have to do what the procedures say and then we go home. Of course, then there are the abnormal and emergency situations...

Get off your high horse.

We operate these planes where SAFETY is our first and most important job. These concerns have been brought up with the CP. Some of these speeds are NOT safe and instructor pilots have agreed as much. These are NOT profile, rather an addition to the profile. If you read the language, it basically says fly the CI when you can. I don't think anyone completely disregards the CI. The company completely dropped the ball in terms of the roll-out and parameters surrounding the CI. Lack of information is also playing a huge roll as well as lack of understanding.

The moment you stop thinking... go home. You shouldn't be a pilot. Stay ahead of the airplane, be safe, and stay on your toes.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Get off your high horse.

We operate these planes where SAFETY is our first and most important job. These concerns have been brought up with the CP. Some of these speeds are NOT safe and instructor pilots have agreed as much. These are NOT profile, rather an addition to the profile. If you read the language, it basically says fly the CI when you can. I don't think anyone completely disregards the CI. The company completely dropped the ball in terms of the roll-out and parameters surrounding the CI. Lack of information is also playing a huge roll as well as lack of understanding.

The moment you stop thinking... go home. You shouldn't be a pilot. Stay ahead of the airplane, be safe, and stay on your toes.

None of the speeds are unsafe, and an instructor who says otherwise doesn't understand the cost indexing program. (The only instance where you might have some concern is when you don't do your job properly, and configure the perf init page with your correct weight, but then, that is YOUR problem, not cost indexing.)

It may not be prudent to fly what the CI tells you due to A14, winds, etc., but in no case is it unsafe. If that were the case, the FAA would have shut the program down immediately.

In all circumstances, you are well above the 1.3 Vs speed. The slow hold speeds are the L/D Max speeds, taking into consideration drift down, etc.

Stop spreading fear, and do a little research.

 

[asa rat]

In all circumstances, you are well above the 1.3 Vs speed. The slow hold speeds are the L/D Max speeds, taking into consideration drift down, etc.

CI has shown a holding speed of 191 at FL310 and yes, it corresponded with the drift down speed.

But drift down is likely wings level, whereas holding includes a standard rate turn and a corresponding increase in stall speed.

How much of a stall buffer do we have during the turn?

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Spud-

I don't think it is my problem for saying guys should operate per SOP's. I am sorry you think it is me that is the problem. I was addressing those that say they won't use it.

Yes, at FL310 you should hold with selection of half bank I suppose...but then again I had guys that would turn off half bank in the hold above FL316 on a regular basis citing turn radius and airspace protection.

CI should not be a problem. If it is, it is your responsibility to address it by flying appropriately and then contacting your CP...not to mention filing some company paperwork.

This stuff isn't rocket surgery for goodness sakes!

 

[ASA_Aviator]

CI has shown a holding speed of 191 at FL310 and yes, it corresponded with the drift down speed.

But drift down is likely wings level, whereas holding includes a standard rate turn and a corresponding increase in stall speed.

How much of a stall buffer do we have during the turn?

I don't know, actually, but I can find out and PM you.

I do know that in a recent example the hold speed at FL310 was like .55, and the 1.3Vs was near .45, and that seems like it would be adequate margin. I don't have specifics, but I can get them for you.

 

[asa rat]

I don't know, actually, but I can find out and PM you.

I do know that in a recent example the hold speed at FL310 was like .55, and the 1.3Vs was near .45, and that seems like it would be adequate margin. I don't have specifics, but I can get them for you.

A PM would be fine but it seems that the biggest obstacle CI has (or any new program has) is fear of the unknown, education os obviously to key to overcome this.

Could you initiate a Q&A program with the minutes compiled and periodically distributed through ourasa?
This would allow specific situations and educated replies allowing acceptance or quicker acceptance of CI.

 

[Texx]

Up to 10 pages. Is there a dead horse yet?

 

[Tarzan]

Up to 10 pages. Is there a dead horse yet?

Silly Texan. No such thing as a dead horse on Flight Info.

 

[Texx]

Silly Texan. No such thing as a dead horse on Flight Info.

Nor at ASA. Yawn....

 

[Flyin2low]

There's a high horse somewhere on here.

 

[crj567]

I think you mean a drunk horse!

 

[CaribPilot]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In Guernee, Illinois, it is illegal for women weighing more than 200 pounds to ride horses in shorts. [/FONT]

 

[N1VIBS]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In Guernee, Illinois, it is illegal for women weighing more than 200 pounds to ride horses in shorts. [/FONT]

It should be illegal for a woman weighing more than 200 lbs. to EVER wear shorts!!!