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ASA..Time for REHAD -- Regional Holy War

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The other night I went in for a nap. Great, ship 830, D31. Get to D lounge, screen says swapped into ship 905, gate 26. No prob.

Get to ship 905, MX on board. Capt didn't call to "jog" anyone into action. Decided to let "nature take it's course" 1.5 hours later, can't be fixed. Mx calls ops.

15 min later we are back into ship 830, D31. Plane has been sitting there for 5-6 hours.

Flight was 1.75 hours late because the left had no idea what the right was doing. If Capt had called, it would have been on time. Daily occurrence

Don't call anymore
 
I know CDO's (naps) are tough, but "Let Nature takes it's course" is exactly what needs to happen. Do not do somebody elses job. Making ASA non flying personnel do Their jobs, is the right thing to do. Just wait and see how the "On Time" performance looks when the Atlantitude comes to the surface.
 
John Pennekamp said:
They're not our passengers. They're Delta's. Let DeltaSkywestAsa treat them as bad as they want. Delta gets what it pays for!
That is the most juvenile asinine statement I have read yet. When those people set foot on your a/c they are your pax and your responsibility. Believe it or not the money they pay to ride on your golden goose does trickle its way down to your pay check. Every time you play this silly game, you harm them and your fellow crewmembers that may be trying to j/s home or to wk.

I am not saying you have to go above and beyond every dpt and every flt. But to just sit on your ars in the cockpit and say well the FOM says "not my job, if we are late screw it" is not the right message to our profession nor our pax.
 
D'Angelo said:
No one has the balls to answer my question.. Why not just fly the book all the time? Its your job right? To fly by the book. Why only do it when your trying to get something you want? And pilots want to be treated as professionals? Stomping and whining. Sad sir, very sad!!

If pilots had always done only what was minimally required, ASA would have gone out of business in 1978.
 
atlcrjdriver said:
I am not saying you have to go above and beyond every dpt and every flt. But to just sit on your ars in the cockpit and say well the FOM says "not my job, if we are late screw it" is not the right message to our profession nor our pax.
Sounds to me like what dispatchers, schedulers, flight sector teams, departure coordinators, wheelchair pushers, lav dumpers, caterers, and Bryan LaBreque do all day.

What gives?

What is red white and blue and sleeps 4???

An ASA belt loader.
 
What gives is that we are seen as professionals and should act/perform accordingly. The blame game needs to stop - if your a/c needs something and you see that you are 20-30mins from dpt put down the maxim and call for it. From the tx I started here to now things have improved greatly, they are not perfect but at least moving in the right direction.
 
atlcrjdriver said:
What gives is that we are seen as professionals and should act/perform accordingly.

Oh...and managers are supposed to do WHAT? Besides polute our mailboxes with insults and half-truths?

Go drink some blue water!
 
So far system on time performance has been below goal since the announcement.
 
~~~^~~~ said:
So far system on time performance has been below goal since the announcement.


As it should be I can see no reason to help anyone these days. If it wasn't time to burn this place down before the last series of bs from "our supervisor" it most certainly is now. No more help.
 
I and the guys I have have flown with have not and will not harm the hands that feed me for some internal strife. It is not fair to those that have nothing to do with our negotiations. And B4 someone says it, the term "casualty of war" doesn't apply here.
 
I have no problem helping out when the company is worth it. So far ASA has not stepped up to the plate and shown that they care about their workers. Especially the pilot group. Until then, fly the Book and do not do more than your job description.
 
atlcrashpad said:
I have no problem helping out when the company is worth it.
Are your pax worth it? I would hope so...

Fly Safe...
:cool:
 
atlcrjdriver said:
Are your pax worth it? I would hope so...

Fly Safe...
:cool:

Any "pax" who pays less than $500 for a ticket from Bumblefuque to Atlanta deserves the treatment they get whence they arrive!

They bought the tickets, they knew what they were getting themselves into. I say....let 'em crash!
 
atlcrjdriver said:
When those people set foot on your a/c they are your pax and your responsibility.

That's the point junior. When they step on my aircraft they are MY passengers. From that time to when they step off I will do everything in my power to ensure that they have a pleasant and safe experience. What happens before they get on my aircraft is not up to me, nor should it be. Wake up.
 
Well junior, when you delay boarding for every little item in the book and you look through the glass at you pax wondering "what is going on". You can tell them as they board "sorry, I needed a bug wash and some spray in the lav but it wasn't my job to call for it per the FOM". If this tactic didn't cause collateral damage to our pax, I would be all for. But it does and it isn't fair to them. Wake up ...
 
When i see incompetence in our gnd crew, i.e. rampers, csa, anything at all, i'll make an announcement to let the pax knows what's going on (i.e. gnd crews are playing tag football on the ramp instead of parking us, cuz it's sunny and 80 degrees outside) I do not lie to them, cuz it doesn't help anybody.

I tell them there are comments card at the counter when they deplane, and i tell them to write nasty complaints on it. When you have 50 people on every plane send them a damn post card, that's a statement. You may say mgmt don't care about those comments card, but at least the pax will feel a little better venting off.
 
atlcrjdriver said:
Well junior, when you delay boarding for every little item in the book and you look through the glass at you pax wondering "what is going on". You can tell them as they board "sorry, I needed a bug wash and some spray in the lav but it wasn't my job to call for it per the FOM". If this tactic didn't cause collateral damage to our pax, I would be all for. But it does and it isn't fair to them. Wake up ...

Boy you are managements wet dream, aren't you?
 
I actually enjoyed our sparing matches ATR, but is that the best you can come up with. A frivolous personal attack, very weak...
 
I am going to say something very controversial here. I disagree with the above strategy.

First of all, I consider myself a strong union supporter. I consider myself a professional who is worth more than I am currently being paid. I believe management does not realize my true worth, and that they have often lied to me. I believe not only have they dropped the ball running this airline efficiently, but the ball is rolling into heavy traffic.

The above sentiments notwithstanding, I cannot agree with the majority here. I have spent many years carefully considering my position on this argument, and I have reached some fundamental conclusions.

Everyone here complains about the rampant “It’s not my job” syndrome among the rampers, gate agents, ops, etc. Is it the best solution to take the low road and join them? I agree that many people don’t even do their own jobs, but so what? Do we really want to contribute to the abysmal failure of ASA? Captains do have a responsibility to be managers, to work towards the safe and successful completion of every flight. Yes, other employees have been hired to assist in this endeavor, and through pathetic mismanagement there is no accountability for their repeated failures, but that still does not change a captain’s responsibility to be a professional.

This brings me to my primary reason for not endorsing a “let nature run its course” slowdown. I have watched pilots try this philosophy for years. Is it the vast majority of pilots? Probably not, but it is a significant number, and I guarantee that management knows this. But ASA management has time and time and time again proven that they are going to do the bare minimum regardless of if pilots do a piss poor job, or even if pilots do an outstanding job. Management is not willing to reward you for doing a good job, but they are also not willing to fix things if you do a poor job. In short, it doesn't matter what you do.

If you think otherwise, try looking back over 26 years of history. So take that italicized statement from the last paragraph and do what you will with it. Given that, I believe in doing a professional job, doing right by my passengers, and knowing that I did everything I could to contribute to the success of the airline. And I don’t give a d.a.m.n. about Brian LaBreque or any of the other idiots in charge.

When the dust settles, that’s what we all want in the end, a successful profitable airline, because that’s the only way we’re going to get a piece of the financial action. I believe the best way to exert our muscle is on the picket line, when we can demand a fair share of the profits that WE EARNED!

 
So are you saying pick up the slack from the other visionaries and continue to work as usual? Yeah, that will show MGT. Continue to Bust yo A$$ and the non contract employees will get profit sharing. You will get a big fat pay cut.
 
atlcrjdriver said:
Are your pax worth it? I would hope so...

Fly Safe...
:cool:

The passengers will suffer if we strike. The passengers will suffer if we go Belly up. It is time we think about OUR future. Forget the rest of the world. I hate to sound selfish, but MGT is forcing our hands.
 
atlcrjdriver said:
I actually enjoyed our sparing matches ATR, but is that the best you can come up with. A frivolous personal attack, very weak...

Then I apologize for the remark, and I will remove it. But, I still think that you need to think long term here. Sure, you may just get your time and be gone, but then again, you may just be here for the next couple of contracts. Maybe a little short term "suffering" by the passengers is worth it to make them happier in the long term.
 
Well, I would remove it, but it will not allow me to edit that message for some reason. Should the ability for me to remove it return, I will.
 
I appreciate that ATR, I knew you had more in you than to resort to such things. OK back to business, since we are looking long term now, how long are we suppose to make our pax suffer and “drive this point home”? If our contract is signed even two months from now, this will not change the ramp operations or any other support team.
 
atlcrjdriver said:
I appreciate that ATR, I knew you had more in you than to resort to such things. OK back to business, since we are looking long term now, how long are we suppose to make our pax suffer and “drive this point home”? If our contract is signed even two months from now, this will not change the ramp operations or any other support team.

No, it certainly would not change the ramp. But if given a fair contract, pilots would certainly go back to covering for the incompetence of our support "teams". I don't have a problem doing that, and have done it for years. I have helped load bags, scanned tickets, washed my own windshield, gotten catering, and believe it or not I even emptied the trash a few times. If I feel that I am being treated fairly by management I will do those things again. But, as long as the philosophy at the GO is to eat a box of ex-lax and squat over the pilot group I will do my job, and only my job.
 
atlcrashpad said:
So are you saying pick up the slack from the other visionaries and continue to work as usual? Yeah, that will show MGT. Continue to Bust yo A$$ and the non contract employees will get profit sharing. You will get a big fat pay cut.

No, I'm not saying do everyone else's jobs. I'm saying be the best captain you can be, and improve the company's bottom line. The only way we have a chance in hell of getting contract improvements is if there's money in the pot. Try arguing for a pay raise if the company had lost $100 million instead of made $100 million. And I'll walk before I take a big fat pay cut.
 
We get paid based on performance numbers. All this will do is reduce our profits making it more difficult to justify the raise some are asking for.
 
The way it sounds you have been around for awhile, can we agree that things have improved over the past year with ATL Ops?
 

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