FlyingSig said:
Surplus, I'm not sure I understand your post. I had 5 ASA pilots and 2 Comair pilots in my DAL newhire class and all were welcomed with open arms. Are you saying that if the tables were turned, and ASA was furloughing while Delta was hiring, that suddenly these same pilots would not be welcome?
That's a whole different scene. All of those pilots you mentioned resigned from ASA or CMR to go to Delta. That's very different. I would welcome any Delta pilot that resigned from Delta. My only objection is the double seniority number. Which CMR or ASA pilot do you think Delta would hire if that pilot could keep his number at the former airline?
What I am saying is that if ASA and CMR were furloughing, Delta pilots would not be supporting (IMO) there being hired at Delta while retaining their ASA and CMR numbers. Doesn't Delta require its new hires to resign?
If the tables were indeed turned, how many of these new pilots would return to ASA after recalls started. To quote you, I'll bet there wouldn't be a single one.
I'll bet you're right. There is no question that Delta is the better job, provided that is you're not furloughed for 5 or 7 years. Sometimes a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
See, that's the thing about double standards. Your company does hire furloughed pilots without making them resign their senority. They have done so for furloughed CoEx , Eagle , and Midway pilots. They even hired a few UAL pilots who were still current in the CRJ without a resignation. They do however require Delta, American, and NWA pilots to resign their senority numbers. Yes, it is more likely that a major pilot will accept recall vs. a pilot who has made a lateral move.... but a double standard none the less.
That's a new one on me. I am not aware that Comair hires furloughed pilots from anywhere that retain their seniority numbers at their previous airline. Can you substantiate that?
I could see management's "logic" (for want of a better word) because a pilot is not likely to return to those airlines from Comair and I don't see it as a "lateral move". Midway is defunct, and the other two are hardly "lateral". However, I don't agree with a double standard. If we hire one with a retained seniority number, then we should hire all.
Don't misunderstand, I'm not against Delta pilots at all. I just don't want to hire ANY pilot with a double seniority number. Do Delta, American and NWA hire pilots with double seniority numbers? I don't think so. Why should we?
Sorry, but I don't want anyone on my list who "belongs" somewhere else. If you're just here building time or waiting for your return to your superior life, I would rather you not come at all. Leave the slot for those that want to be here. I guess I'm weird but I don't want to be a stepping stone for anyone. We worked too hard to fall into that cliche. If you're here and you want to leave that's fine, quit. We'll help you to do that. Don't come with that in mind.
If it's your "first job", then I can live with it because you don't know any better. Everyone has stars in their eyes when they first start out. After a while you learn. Those that have already learned somewhere else, can make up their minds. Give up your number and you're welcome. Don't and you're not one of us and won't ever be. Why should we waste time and energy on that? No one does it for us.
As for making peace, I'm all for that but its a two way street. I would never surrender in order to make "peace" and be occupied by a Trojan Horse. Those who want a real "peace" can do it any time they want. We aren't the obstacle to peace.
Regards,
