ASA Says Pilots' Demands Are Lofty

[sweptback]

SkyWest Inc will be the leaseholder of the ASA passenger gates in ATL. It would be difficult for Delta to replace them with another carrier in ATL because gates are a limited resource, and are now controlled by Skywest Inc.

EXACTLY! This is what people don't realize. We have enough leverage to get this done, don't let anybody talk you out of it.

 

[WhatRUSmokinGL?]

Why is it that SW can afford to pay the highest rate for their equipment and yet the company still plans on growing ad infinitim? Yeah the fuel hedges help but not all the way, so come up with another excuse. Yes I know that ASA is not in competition directly with SW but it shows that there are mngt teams that are competent(sp?) and what effect it has on the business. Remember post 9/11 when everyone was f-loing? SW honored a former promise and gave raises right? That kinda of action buys employee loyalty that goes a long way in keeping customers happy and coming back. Would you folks at ASA expect anything from the mngt peeps?

Why should pilots at ASA, Delta, etc. have to subsidize both the american publics travel pleasure and the poor management skills of their respective management teams? And who says that ASA really *needs* concessions? Maybe the mngt. folks are just trying to see how much they can squeeze from the pilot group.

Maybe all the mngt. folks everywhere know that their time of preferential treatment from the NMB will cease at the end of this presidential administration so they had better get what they can while the gettin' is good. I have been an 'R' for my entire life but next election sorta looks like the 'D's will be back in. Maybe I'm wrong.

BTW Thanks for illegitimately stretchin' the RLA to us, John McCain, U Frickin DORK! I Wonder how much jing/$ that got him?

'Deserving a contract' is a Non sequitur. You get what you negotiate. Plain and simple. Think about it, ASA just got a new guy at the helm. His retirement plan hinges on this contract. If he gets a good deal for SKW, all he has to do is keep the ship semi- on course then it's sailin' in the caribean for the rest of his life with skip. He really couldn't care less what the impact is on your life or anyone else. He has worked to get to this point because he knows that it's only a 3-5 year road that ends in a virtual lottery ticket retirement. So it becomes a simple emotionless business deal. A simple lie here or a little unethical act there... SO WHAT. He'll be gone by 2010. It is business, nothing personal...... Except for you and the next guy/girl. You are in the same style of environmrent when you negotiate for a vehicle.. I had one dealer let me walk out of the office when I said I'd pay retail. He acted like I wanted his daughter. The next dealership said great and it was the exact same car/price. The first dude just gambled and lost. It's the same here.

I think our biggest weakness here is that from day one of our training, way back when, we have been conditioned to do the 'right' thing. We are in a (pretty much) self-policing field that requires a lot of dicipline. You know, do the right thing even if no one is watching....work hard, show up ready to work etc, do your best to make up for the crappy airserve contractor that they won't fire because of $$$$. Who cares if somebody's GrandMa gets stuck on a plane for 30 minutes and missed a flight? Nobody from mngt has to stand there and witness this.

We are dealing with businessmen. They show up unprepared, stall for 3+ years etc because it is what is best for them. Not because it is ethical and the right thing to do. They do it because it is more profitable for them. As long as it's legal (supported by the NMB) it's just business. e.g. Where we ASA pilots were shocked,insulted,upset,peeved,torqued at mngt's first proposal in 3+ years, they(mngt) sees it as a strategic/tactical move to get our expectations low and maybe, just maybe it'll be taken. Then they will scream BK, CHTQA,MESA,CMR ETC and finally "settle" on a contract that is less than labor wanted. And walk away wondering when they should spend the retirement earnings.

Why hasn't there been a call for an 8% reduction er... uh, I mean "CORRECTION" in the COO's salary?

Just my ramblings....


BTW.... HORIZON!!! hehe

AND WHERE IS THE GENERAL???? I miss his input.

 

[scarlet]

Crash pad--how long have you been in the industry...Keep drinking the company juice and go work for USair...There you can work some days for FREE...

All those Airline MANGT teams are just plain DUMB!!!! People running the airlines that have never held a job in the industry but mangt. If one airline takes a pay cut and it sticks --GUESS WHAT---well hope you can figure it out,, they all jump on board!!!! Even Airtran wants pay cuts now, because everyone else is doing it.

HOW about raising the airfares and running a business than trying to fix the companies problems with pay cuts--that is their business plan-take care of the employees and they will take care of the customer--Gordon Bethune--it works trust me--I was there for 9 years

Horizon--their employees are happy so they do their jobs!! lets see if we don't pay our pilots horizon's pay 4.00 an hour for every hour our pilots work how much money do we save? ummhhh but if our pilots take mesa pay we reall save...WOW

 

[scarlet]

yeah is everyone in the company taking 8-10% pay cut??

Answer from SKYWEST????

 

[HughBeamont]

When in jeopardy, plan to negotiate, see what they say, possibly reciprocate, and if that doesn't fly, burn the place, figuratively of course, to the Fricking ground. Burn, baby bury, regional inferno, regional inferno.....

I think we're all going to know that anthem soon.

 

[Tomct]

Why do these people think that ASA pilots are asking for a HUGE contract? I don't see a 3-5 percent pay raise and Numerouse QOL issues HUGE. I call that "Cost of Living!" You know, gas prices, food, heat etc. Oh yeah, I forgot, that 70-100,000 dollars for flying and my 4 year degree that I needed so badly to go to the majors. Have some respect for yourselves. It is time to make a stand. Draw a line in the Sand and don't cross it! Stike Baby!

 

[sweptback]

I don't expect to get more than about a 3-5% raise, but I will vote NO on anything less than the inflation percentage (right now about 4%). Anything less is a paycut.

Technically we should have gotten a 3-4% bump every year since 2002, which will make a nice retro pay check.

I agree that this contract is more about QOL issues and tightening up the lax wording in the old one. Pay rates can be saved for another day.

 

[psysix]

From an ASA pilot on JC forums.....

atrdriver



Joined: 12 Nov 2005
Posts: 134
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 9:19 am Post subject: The company wants to eliminate premium pay (underblock), which is often the only way to make any money around here. They want to drop DH pay to 50%. I don't really care about the payrates

 

[rjcap]

I don't expect to get more than about a 3-5% raise, but I will vote NO on anything less than the inflation percentage (right now about 4%). Anything less is a paycut.

Technically we should have gotten a 3-4% bump every year since 2002, which will make a nice retro pay check.

I agree that this contract is more about QOL issues and tightening up the lax wording in the old one. Pay rates can be saved for another day.

Trip and Duty Rigs !!!!!!!

Trip and Duty Rigs !!!!!!!


This is where you protect yourself from these ridiculous 3 day trips with 3 block hours.

 

[79%N1]

Trip and Duty Rigs !!!!!!!

Trip and Duty Rigs !!!!!!!


This is where you protect yourself from these ridiculous 3 day trips with 3 block hours.

CAN I GET AN AMEN!

 

[Illinois]

I do not see Skywest Inc. giving either pilot group retro pay. We (Skyw) have been working under an expired pay agreement for over a year, and SGU doesn't even want to offer the 1.2% raise we voted down a couple months ago.

 

[atrdriver]

From an ASA pilot on JC forums.....

atrdriver



Joined: 12 Nov 2005
Posts: 134
Location: Atlanta, GA
http://www.clear-and-a-million.com/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost_new.gifPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 9:19 am Post subject: http://www.clear-and-a-million.com/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif The company wants to eliminate premium pay (underblock), which is often the only way to make any money around here. They want to drop DH pay to 50%. I don't really care about the payrates

Hey bozo. If you are going to quote me then do it right. I stated that premium pay and DH pay, plus trip and duty rigs are more important to me than the pay rates. Am I willing to take a pay cut? No I'm not. And that is what elimination of premium pay and 50% DH pay would be. Get a life, and learn to read next time.

 

[~~~^~~~]

I like how in the new memo on E-docs it says we need growth or the company will fail.

That is probably a true statement. Airlines like our keep their costs low by getting new crews and equipment to reduce overall seniority and the age (maintenance costs) of their fleet. Further, the larger the operation the less each unit has to contribute to support the fixed costs of the business.

But then what?

Go Around: You make some really excellent points.

 

[atrdriver]

Fins, that is a true statement. But SKY bought us knowing that we were in negotiations, and if they were not aware of what our negotiation position before buying us then that's their problem. They were the purchaser, and it was their responsibility to know what they were getting into. Sorry, but I don't feel too bad for their plight. I know that I haven't gotten anything more than a longecity raise in 3 years, and now they want to eliminate premium and knock DH back to 50%? I don't think so. I have said from the outset that we weren't going to get too much in the way of a pay increase, but I'm certainly not going to sit back and watch them take away what we have already fought for.

 

[shamrock]

OK, I have what might be a simple question to everyone but I'd just like some clarification.

What exactly are we talking about with regards to eliminating premium? I'm clear on what premium is, but how will things change? I do naps once in a while and shoot for premium because it's the only way to make money. That pay on top of guarantee would go away if I understand correctly. Now if I do a normal trip blocked to 20 hours but end up early on several legs and fly only 18, what will I get paid for? Will I lose the 2 hours underblock as well?

I'm not as dumb as I look, I swear. Just trying to understand how it all would work.