ASA saves Delta $968,400!

[ASAFOE120]

Classic example of drowning in the Kool Aid. What makes you so sure ASA is going to lose our flying, other than the veiled threat? Are you aware that the contract SkyWest has with Delta makes that VERY difficult? Are you aware that our APU usage is a drop in the bucket of our profitability at ASA?

The fuel you save is going DIRECTLY into the pocket of Delta managers in the form of bonuses. So go ahead and help them out by saving the fuel.

"Good goes around", right?

I am very aware of all the above and have been around here long enough not to drink Kool-aid or potable water or any of that other crap. I prefer coffee. Thanks.

However, I have been kicked in the sack by this place many times (base closings, downgrades, pass privelege cuts, etc...). Now with that being said, I will do what I can to make this place as profitable as possible so that the pay checks keep coming until I am blessed enough to move to greener pastures.

I've seen how ACA/Independence turned out. I've seen how the COEX guys have been done. Or how about the Midwest Connect guys. If you think for a moment that that could not happen here, or any other regional, you would be mistaken. Yeah, we have a contract with Delta but who knows what might happen in a merger, another bankruptcy filing, $150 a barrel oil, etc...

 

[John Pennekamp]

I am very aware of all the above and have been around here long enough not to drink Kool-aid or potable water or any of that other crap. I prefer coffee. Thanks.

However, I have been kicked in the sack by this place many times (base closings, downgrades, pass privelege cuts, etc...). Now with that being said, I will do what I can to make this place as profitable as possible so that the pay checks keep coming until I am blessed enough to move to greener pastures.

I've seen how ACA/Independence turned out. I've seen how the COEX guys have been done. Or how about the Midwest Connect guys. If you think for a moment that that could not happen here, or any other regional, you would be mistaken. Yeah, we have a contract with Delta but who knows what might happen in a merger, another bankruptcy filing, $150 a barrel oil, etc...

Don't let them scare you into lining their pockets. That's all I'm saying.

And if you think ANYTHING we have in our power to do will prevent ASA from becoming the next ACA or Skyway, you're giving us too much credit. If that's going to happen, it will happen regardless of what we do, especially saving a few gallons of APU fuel.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Speaking for the passengers on your aircraft, please don't do this in the summertime. The airflow isn't even close to adequate on the ground without the APU bleed.

damn! what a pos airplane the crj is

 

[DGdaPilot]

Sounds like Eagle management has infiltrated ASA. Gotta love Eagle's 3P's! Prepare, something, and plugin...or something like that. No one pays attention.

 

[bender]

What a difference in culture. At the dark side of SkyWest, Inc. we never start the APU before landing unless we need it for icing conditions on approach, and I've never noticed an uncomfortable temperature during the couple minutes you're at full idle. If we know it's going to be a long taxi out or a lengthy delay we'll go single engine. We just started doing bleeds open takeoffs in the -200, and I haven't noticed a temperature drop because of it yet.

 

[Flybywire44]

Not that anyone listens to us, but we should tout this fuel savings. Since we save DAL so much money... We should get more flying!

 

[John Pennekamp]

What a difference in culture. At the dark side of SkyWest, Inc. we never start the APU before landing unless we need it for icing conditions on approach, and I've never noticed an uncomfortable temperature during the couple minutes you're at full idle. If we know it's going to be a long taxi out or a lengthy delay we'll go single engine. We just started doing bleeds open takeoffs in the -200, and I haven't noticed a temperature drop because of it yet.

Does is get as hot in the mountains of the West as it does in the Southeast?

 

[ILS8L]

temperature drop??

What a difference in culture. At the dark side of SkyWest, Inc. we never start the APU before landing unless we need it for icing conditions on approach, and I've never noticed an uncomfortable temperature during the couple minutes you're at full idle. If we know it's going to be a long taxi out or a lengthy delay we'll go single engine. We just started doing bleeds open takeoffs in the -200, and I haven't noticed a temperature drop because of it yet.

That's a good one. We are talking about it getting too HOT and stuffy in the back. Get a clue.

 

[bender]

The places I have flown to out west do not get hotter than the southeast. I usually fly around the midwest though, which is as hot as ATL during July/August.

ILS8L, I'd keep the APU going on the ground during the summer as well. I've never noticed it get too hot because we didn't start the APU before landing, but thanks for the kind words.

 

[JoeMerchant]

JP.....Don't save gas for Delta.....Save it for Al Gore and Mother Earth......

Maybe you can get some carbon credits......

Besides I know you NEVER run the APU.......:laugh:

 

[shamrock]

i remember about half my fo's last summer asking me why i was helping management out last summer when i told them to se taxi. i ususally just responded with shut up and do it.

Have you ever thought of becoming a CRM instructor?

 

[fltdspx]

Ya know, even if every red cent of the money you save by shutting the APU down whenever possible goes directly to the pockets of every overpaid manager at Delta...how about just shutting it down for the sake of a little less emission into the atmosphere? Or the sake of a little less wear and tear on the APU...making it just a bit less likely to be deferred when you need it?

WOW someone that actually makes some since out there...

 

[John Pennekamp]

JP.....Don't save gas for Delta.....Save it for Al Gore and Mother Earth......

Maybe you can get some carbon credits......

Besides I know you NEVER run the APU.......:laugh:

Yeah!!!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Here, this is for you , JM!

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Here, this is for you , JM!

Hey now, remember: don't ask, don't tell

 

[Stifler's Mom]

New Bag Sticker

"I Helped Save Delta $968,400 and All I Got Was This Lousy Sticker"

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I noticed that General Lee started his own thread bashing SKW for passing on its fuel costs, and not even once does he thank us for saving Delta some serious money.

 

[John Pennekamp]

General Lee suffers from Small Penis Syndrome.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Here, this is for you , JM!

Well better than Hillary and Gore....but still way too far to the left.....I prefer Jimmy on stage....not in DC......

 

[John Pennekamp]

Well better than Hillary and Gore....but still way too far to the left.....I prefer Jimmy on stage....not in DC......

Speaking of which, do you think he'll play Lakewood this summer, since he blew it off last summer? I'm having withdrawals. I'll have to get tix out of town if he doesn't come this year.

 

[spg2bmd]

It is amazing how many pilots at SKYW adhere to this fuel saving deal. They dont have much of a stake in it other than the environment and about $40 per quarter but yet almost all the guys/gals I fly with have it embedded in their profiles. Luckily, the thanks these dedicated folks deserve is sarcastic thanks from our fellow pilots. Luckily, most of them have the personal integrity and sense of the herd.. hehe.. to continue with their efforts.

 

[spg2bmd]

Think I said luckily too much?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Speaking of which, do you think he'll play Lakewood this summer, since he blew it off last summer? I'm having withdrawals. I'll have to get tix out of town if he doesn't come this year.

I've been going out of town to see him.....Last year was MCO, YYZ, and Alpine Valley.....Alpine Valley and Wrigley were probably the best.....YYZ is also good....

LAS is too expensive....seen him twice there....

How's that for a thread hijack.....

 

[John Pennekamp]

I've been going out of town to see him.....Last year was MCO, YYZ, and Alpine Valley.....Alpine Valley and Wrigley were probably the best.....YYZ is also good....

LAS is too expensive....seen him twice there....

How's that for a thread hijack.....

I was thinking Alpine Valley if he doesn't come here. I have family close to there.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I was thinking Alpine Valley if he doesn't come here. I have family close to there.

.....I combined it last year with Oshkosh and Germanfest in MKE....Great week.......

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Seeing him at Great Woods, err, the Tweetah center in Mansfield. Priceless.

 

[shamrock]

Speaking of which, do you think he'll play Lakewood this summer, since he blew it off last summer? I'm having withdrawals. I'll have to get tix out of town if he doesn't come this year.

He played Philips Arena last April but I seem to remember a certain scuba-diving ATR Captain mentioning on the ALPA board how an arena concert was something "die-hard Parrotheads" like himself wouldn't bother with.

 

[Bustin]

Anyone consider just flying the aircraft as efficiently as possible for the sake of doing just that? Regardless who pockets the cash, it's the least wasteful thing to do. People get so hung on up avoiding the Kool Aid bowl they don't use common sense. And in times when Delta is talking about trimming back their DCI carriers as well as the innevitable merger, it can't hurt!

 

[FixNFly]

What a difference in culture. At the dark side of SkyWest, Inc. we never start the APU before landing unless we need it for icing conditions on approach, and I've never noticed an uncomfortable temperature during the couple minutes you're at full idle. If we know it's going to be a long taxi out or a lengthy delay we'll go single engine. We just started doing bleeds open takeoffs in the -200, and I haven't noticed a temperature drop because of it yet.

First of all, the bleeds open takeoff results in the cabin altitude climbing anywhere from 1200-1800 fpm. That's why I stopped turning the apu off before takeoff.
As far as your experience with the uncomfortable cabin temps, my guess is that you don't regularly fly in the southeast in the summertime like 90% of all ASA flights (thanks JA).
Single engine taxiing is one thing but subjecting the pax (and myself!) to climb rates like that or heat like we get in the cabin, it just isn't worth it.

 

[John Pennekamp]

He played Philips Arena last April but I seem to remember a certain scuba-diving ATR Captain mentioning on the ALPA board how an arena concert was something "die-hard Parrotheads" like himself wouldn't bother with.

Exactly. It's not the same unless it's an outdoor party. There isn't even a place to tailgate there! I don't know anybody who went to the Phillips last year.