ASA saves Delta $968,400!

[samdog]

Did any of the outstations get this "project APU" memo? Seems like every time we pull into the gate with the APU not running and the #1 shut down, we wait 3-4 minutes with #2 running while we wait for these people to hook up the external power. Im not sure, but it seems that we would burn more gas waiting with #2 running than if we just started the APU, shut down the engines, and then shut down the APU once the external power finally gets hooked up. I don't see how this can possibly work if the ground crew are not on the ball with the ground equipment.

 

[Jmoney]

Project "blow me"

Eat my hot sweaty nuts! Who gives a crap, really? We will all get an equal-size bite of the turd sandwich which we will offered the day after DAL merges with NWA and becomes the crappiest airline in the history of aviation!
Does anyone here think this really makes a rat's hairy hiney? Really?

 

[ILS8L]

That's what I see

Did any of the outstations get this "project APU" memo? Seems like every time we pull into the gate with the APU not running and the #1 shut down, we wait 3-4 minutes with #2 running while we wait for these people to hook up the external power. I don't see how this can possibly work if the ground crew are not on the ball with the ground equipment.

The response I get most often is, "is your APU broken?" I saw one station (TUL) that actually had their GSU all ready at the gate. If I don't see the participation of the out stations improve I will run the APU for the passenger comfort. Further, without air it is already too hot for this in a lot of our territory.

 

[John Pennekamp]

You just have to use a little common sense. If its hot up front, its probably hot in the back. Start it! Otherwise, start it after landing.

As far as taxiing out, if the numbers indicate BL Open, then why not shut it down when going into position. As soon as you bring the power up, you get plenty of air. Granted it might only be 30 seconds of savings, but multiply that times every departure we do a day, x a week, etc... and the savings would add up.

I know, we dont get any money out of it and we dont even pay our own fuel bill, but if this helps ASA keep our flying (or maybe gain some new), then I will do it. You just have to use some common sense.

Classic example of drowning in the Kool Aid. What makes you so sure ASA is going to lose our flying, other than the veiled threat? Are you aware that the contract SkyWest has with Delta makes that VERY difficult? Are you aware that our APU usage is a drop in the bucket of our profitability at ASA?

The fuel you save is going DIRECTLY into the pocket of Delta managers in the form of bonuses. So go ahead and help them out by saving the fuel.

"Good goes around", right?

 

[WalterSobchak]

The fuel you save is going DIRECTLY into the pocket of Delta managers in the form of bonuses. So go ahead and help them out by saving the fuel.

Ya know, even if every red cent of the money you save by shutting the APU down whenever possible goes directly to the pockets of every overpaid manager at Delta...how about just shutting it down for the sake of a little less emission into the atmosphere? Or the sake of a little less wear and tear on the APU...making it just a bit less likely to be deferred when you need it?

 

[John Pennekamp]

Ya know, even if every red cent of the money you save by shutting the APU down whenever possible goes directly to the pockets of every overpaid manager at Delta...how about just shutting it down for the sake of a little less emission into the atmosphere?

Ha Ha, you got me with that one. Especially with my new avatar.

 

[WalterSobchak]

Ha Ha, you got me with that one. Especially with my new avatar.

Lockbox.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Lockbox.

"Iron-Clad Lockbox"

 

[imacdog]

I know, we dont get any money out of it and we dont even pay our own fuel bill, but if this helps ASA keep our flying (or maybe gain some new), then I will do it. You just have to use some common sense.

It won't.

 

[crjskipper]

didnt want to point that out JP. im no tree hugger but i dont see the point in wasting gas for no reason. i am not over the top about it but there is no sense in wasting fuel.

i remember about half my fo's last summer asking me why i was helping management out last summer when i told them to se taxi. i ususally just responded with shut up and do it. lot nicer to have that fuel later if i need it.

 

[ASAFOE120]

Classic example of drowning in the Kool Aid. What makes you so sure ASA is going to lose our flying, other than the veiled threat? Are you aware that the contract SkyWest has with Delta makes that VERY difficult? Are you aware that our APU usage is a drop in the bucket of our profitability at ASA?

The fuel you save is going DIRECTLY into the pocket of Delta managers in the form of bonuses. So go ahead and help them out by saving the fuel.

"Good goes around", right?

I am very aware of all the above and have been around here long enough not to drink Kool-aid or potable water or any of that other crap. I prefer coffee. Thanks.

However, I have been kicked in the sack by this place many times (base closings, downgrades, pass privelege cuts, etc...). Now with that being said, I will do what I can to make this place as profitable as possible so that the pay checks keep coming until I am blessed enough to move to greener pastures.

I've seen how ACA/Independence turned out. I've seen how the COEX guys have been done. Or how about the Midwest Connect guys. If you think for a moment that that could not happen here, or any other regional, you would be mistaken. Yeah, we have a contract with Delta but who knows what might happen in a merger, another bankruptcy filing, $150 a barrel oil, etc...

 

[John Pennekamp]

I am very aware of all the above and have been around here long enough not to drink Kool-aid or potable water or any of that other crap. I prefer coffee. Thanks.

However, I have been kicked in the sack by this place many times (base closings, downgrades, pass privelege cuts, etc...). Now with that being said, I will do what I can to make this place as profitable as possible so that the pay checks keep coming until I am blessed enough to move to greener pastures.

I've seen how ACA/Independence turned out. I've seen how the COEX guys have been done. Or how about the Midwest Connect guys. If you think for a moment that that could not happen here, or any other regional, you would be mistaken. Yeah, we have a contract with Delta but who knows what might happen in a merger, another bankruptcy filing, $150 a barrel oil, etc...

Don't let them scare you into lining their pockets. That's all I'm saying.

And if you think ANYTHING we have in our power to do will prevent ASA from becoming the next ACA or Skyway, you're giving us too much credit. If that's going to happen, it will happen regardless of what we do, especially saving a few gallons of APU fuel.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Speaking for the passengers on your aircraft, please don't do this in the summertime. The airflow isn't even close to adequate on the ground without the APU bleed.

damn! what a pos airplane the crj is

 

[DGdaPilot]

Sounds like Eagle management has infiltrated ASA. Gotta love Eagle's 3P's! Prepare, something, and plugin...or something like that. No one pays attention.

 

[bender]

What a difference in culture. At the dark side of SkyWest, Inc. we never start the APU before landing unless we need it for icing conditions on approach, and I've never noticed an uncomfortable temperature during the couple minutes you're at full idle. If we know it's going to be a long taxi out or a lengthy delay we'll go single engine. We just started doing bleeds open takeoffs in the -200, and I haven't noticed a temperature drop because of it yet.

 

[Flybywire44]

Not that anyone listens to us, but we should tout this fuel savings. Since we save DAL so much money... We should get more flying!

 

[John Pennekamp]

What a difference in culture. At the dark side of SkyWest, Inc. we never start the APU before landing unless we need it for icing conditions on approach, and I've never noticed an uncomfortable temperature during the couple minutes you're at full idle. If we know it's going to be a long taxi out or a lengthy delay we'll go single engine. We just started doing bleeds open takeoffs in the -200, and I haven't noticed a temperature drop because of it yet.

Does is get as hot in the mountains of the West as it does in the Southeast?

 

[ILS8L]

temperature drop??

What a difference in culture. At the dark side of SkyWest, Inc. we never start the APU before landing unless we need it for icing conditions on approach, and I've never noticed an uncomfortable temperature during the couple minutes you're at full idle. If we know it's going to be a long taxi out or a lengthy delay we'll go single engine. We just started doing bleeds open takeoffs in the -200, and I haven't noticed a temperature drop because of it yet.

That's a good one. We are talking about it getting too HOT and stuffy in the back. Get a clue.

 

[bender]

The places I have flown to out west do not get hotter than the southeast. I usually fly around the midwest though, which is as hot as ATL during July/August.

ILS8L, I'd keep the APU going on the ground during the summer as well. I've never noticed it get too hot because we didn't start the APU before landing, but thanks for the kind words.

 

[JoeMerchant]

JP.....Don't save gas for Delta.....Save it for Al Gore and Mother Earth......

Maybe you can get some carbon credits......

Besides I know you NEVER run the APU.......:laugh: