ASA "Roadmap to STRIKE"

[Phony Marconi]

C'omon, boys.....it's time.

They're just yankin' us around. Read the negotiation updates.

I'm outta here!

 

[777_Jackpot]

Time alright....time to oust ALPA

 

[Magneto]

Time alright....time to oust ALPA

You know I hear stuff like this and wonder why everyone is on SkyWest's back to get ALPA on property. Everyone who is ALPA is either in bankruptcy or seriously hurting.

 

["GO AROUND"]

Time alright....time to oust ALPA

Let's see you do a better job! All I hear is ya'll whiners bitch that it's the unions fault, when they have shown up from day 1 prepared and trying to negotiate the best contract for the pilot group. As the saying goes "don't blame the players, blame the game" that the company has taken advantage of and abused from day 1.

Oh, I forgot you would step up but they won't let you. Whatever! Don't let me keep you from the Company breast that you were sucking on.

 

[~~~^~~~]

deletede

 

[goodto50meters]

Time alright....time to oust ALPA

Why?

What has the ASA MEC done that has not been in your interests? I know many of these guys and they are stand-up people who are line pilots and give a great deal of their time and talent to this and have to live with the end result as do we all.

ALPA as a national organization has its issues granted. It is what you make of it though as a member. Rome was not built in a day.

When was the last LEC meeting you attended?
When was the last time you talked to a Rep and told them what you think?
What would you do different?
What can you offer to do to help?
What is your position on ASA pilot negotiations?
What is your opinion of management?

Sincerely,

GT50M

 

[be-400xpdriver]

Time alright....time to oust ALPA

Ask naught what your union can do for you. Ask what you can do for your union.

 

[701EV]

Repeat After Me,

"Strike, Strike, Strike, Strike, Strike, Strike, Strike.


701ev

 

[777_Jackpot]

Why?

What has the ASA MEC done that has not been in your interests?

What have they GOT done that has been in my interest? Listen, I'm not saying that the ASA MEC isn't 100% for creating a better quality of life for ASA pilots. What I am saying though, is the fact that the union has been tasked with negotiating a better contract, and has thus far, failed. I know its not entirely their falt, but it is their job. As far as I am concerned ALPA can join Willy and the many others who comprise a long list of people at this company who were given a chance at a task, failed, and now need to be fired.

777JP

 

["GO AROUND"]

What have they GOT done that has been in my interest? Listen, I'm not saying that the ASA MEC isn't 100% for creating a better quality of life for ASA pilots. What I am saying though, is the fact that the union has been tasked with negotiating a better contract, and has thus far, failed. I know its not entirely their falt, but it is their job. As far as I am concerned ALPA can join Willy and the many others who comprise a long list of people at this company who were given a chance at a task, failed, and now need to be fired.

777JP

Definition of negotiate (verb forms: negotiated; negotiated; negotiating)
to bargain with others for an agreement. Definition of bargain (noun forms plural: bargains) to deal; a good agreement.
How have they failed? You said it exactly, their task was to NEGOTIATE a better contract and they have been doing their job. As the company said, it takes two to negotiate, and the company hasn't negotiated or bargained, they have demanded we accept what little they have proposed without bargaining. The CNC has been prepare from day 1 to negotiate/bargain and had every section proposed to the company with nothing from the company. Did you expect them to make the company negotiate back? Again, how have they failed? The company has failed you, but that get's you no where so you bash on the union and CNC.
Just because you wanted a contract 2 years ago, it's their fault for not producing it. The only point you have is that they didn't get you your contract when you wanted it, Right? You obviously have no idea how the process works, you just want what you want when you want it. Funny, that sounds just like managment rhetoric.

Comparing Willy and others to the union, that's stupidity.

 

[goodto50meters]

What have they GOT done that has been in my interest? Listen, I'm not saying that the ASA MEC isn't 100% for creating a better quality of life for ASA pilots. What I am saying though, is the fact that the union has been tasked with negotiating a better contract, and has thus far, failed. I know its not entirely their falt, but it is their job. As far as I am concerned ALPA can join Willy and the many others who comprise a long list of people at this company who were given a chance at a task, failed, and now need to be fired.

777JP

You simply re-stated your original post.

How about answering the other 6 questions? Are they too hard for you?

Just some friendly advice: Be part of the solution not part of the problem.

Regards

 

[777_Jackpot]

Definition of negotiate (verb forms: negotiated; negotiated; negotiating)
to bargain with others for an agreement. Definition of bargain (noun forms plural: bargains) to deal; a good agreement.
How have they failed? You said it exactly, their task was to NEGOTIATE a better contract and they have been doing their job. As the company said, it takes two to negotiate, and the company hasn't negotiated or bargained, they have demanded we accept what little they have proposed without bargaining. The CNC has been prepare from day 1 to negotiate/bargain and had every section proposed to the company with nothing from the company. Did you expect them to make the company negotiate back? Again, how have they failed? The company has failed you, but that get's you no where so you bash on the union and CNC.
Just because you wanted a contract 2 years ago, it's their fault for not producing it. The only point you have is that they didn't get you your contract when you wanted it, Right? You obviously have no idea how the process works, you just want what you want when you want it. Funny, that sounds just like managment rhetoric.

Comparing Willy and others to the union, that's stupidity.

No argurment here! They have most certainly partaken in the act of nogotiating...they've accomplished next to nothing, but they have been doing there jobs - to nogotiate. But there is a fine line between doing your job, and doing your job effectively, the later not describing the CNC's performance thus far. And you're correct, my point is that I don't have my contract when I wanted it, unfortunately, a simple gander in the bag room and seeing a hundred "3 Years Is To Long" stickers would lend a person to believe that it is the point of a majority of the pilots, if not all. The only difference is, I am assigning blame to those who should shoulder it the most, ALPA.

 

[777_Jackpot]

You simply re-stated your original post.

How about answering the other 6 questions? Are they too hard for you?

Just some friendly advice: Be part of the solution not part of the problem.

Regards

No they're not to hard, I just thought the answers would have been obvious by now, sorry for the assumption:

#1 When was the last LEC meeting you attended?
Never

#2 When was the last time you talked to a Rep and told them what you think?
Yeah, that would go over well, "hey, you guys are really ineffective, I want my money back"

#3 What would you do different?
I would be exploring with managment, ways to reduce enough operating expenses to allow for a compensation increase, and examine ways to make the operation efficient enough so the company doesn't feel the need to have such a tight "leach" on work rules.

#4 What can you offer to do to help?
Just about...exactly 2%

#5 What is your position on ASA pilot negotiations?
I think that is already apparent

#6 What is your opinion of management?
Although, I think changes need to continue, the ones they have made are a step in the right direction. I think BL is a good COO, most importantly I think Willy sucks

 

[BigHangar]

You know I hear stuff like this and wonder why everyone is on SkyWest's back to get ALPA on property. Everyone who is ALPA is either in bankruptcy or seriously hurting.

Umm, you guys need a little more gray matter up there. The whole reason ASA ALPA has no power is because SkyWest has no union and can't stick up for themselves. You should be reversing your thought process and say that if only SkyWest has ALPA, they and their counterparts at ASA could both receive more fair rules and compensation.

 

[Puck Mugger]

No they're not to hard, I just thought the answers would have been obvious by now, sorry for the assumption:

#1 When was the last LEC meeting you attended?
Never

#2 When was the last time you talked to a Rep and told them what you think?
Yeah, that would go over well, "hey, you guys are really ineffective, I want my money back"

#3 What would you do different?
I would be exploring with managment, ways to reduce enough operating expenses to allow for a compensation increase, and examine ways to make the operation efficient enough so the company doesn't feel the need to have such a tight "leach" on work rules.

#4 What can you offer to do to help?
Just about...exactly 2%

#5 What is your position on ASA pilot negotiations?
I think that is already apparent

#6 What is your opinion of management?
Although, I think changes need to continue, the ones they have made are a step in the right direction. I think BL is a good COO, most importantly I think Willy sucks

You are in desperate need of professional help.

BTW, that funny smell is Brian Labreques pubes in your nostrils.

 

[Chairman]

Umm, you guys need a little more gray matter up there. The whole reason ASA ALPA has no power is because SkyWest has no union and can't stick up for themselves. You should be reversing your thought process and say that if only SkyWest has ALPA, they and their counterparts at ASA could both receive more fair rules and compensation.

Just like when they were owned by DELTA who also owned Comair and again why would skywest having alpa change anything.........

 

["GO AROUND"]

777 Jackpot, you actually think the union and others havn't tried to work with the company to reduce cost elsewhere? They are as receptive to that as we are to the proposal they just put out.

You keep saying the CNC and union should have produced something by now but you don't say how they were supposed to do that. How does one negotiate or bargain when the other side doesn't bargain or negotiate.

Maybe if you brought them milk and cookies or pizza managment would change their attitude? The company says we're asking for too much and we say they're full of SH*T. I havn't heard managment saying they will take an 8% paycut along side us. Why is it that only the pilot costs have grown above acceptability? I call BS on that! There are so many gross inefficiencies in our company that have been brought to the attention of managment(many from myself) and they are still happening on a daily basis.

If your not part of the solution then you are part of the problem.

 

[goodto50meters]

No they're not to hard, I just thought the answers would have been obvious by now, sorry for the assumption:

#1 When was the last LEC meeting you attended?
Never

#2 When was the last time you talked to a Rep and told them what you think?
Yeah, that would go over well, "hey, you guys are really ineffective, I want my money back"

#3 What would you do different?
I would be exploring with managment, ways to reduce enough operating expenses to allow for a compensation increase, and examine ways to make the operation efficient enough so the company doesn't feel the need to have such a tight "leach" on work rules.

#4 What can you offer to do to help?
Just about...exactly 2%

#5 What is your position on ASA pilot negotiations?
I think that is already apparent

#6 What is your opinion of management?
Although, I think changes need to continue, the ones they have made are a step in the right direction. I think BL is a good COO, most importantly I think Willy sucks

OK, lets re-cap:

1. You have NEVER attended an LEC meeting. This explains half of why you dont seem to want to be part of the solution by getting involved at the minimal level.

2. Well if you want to take the tact of just insulting the guy, no shiott it wont go over well. Why dont you introduce yourself and offer some ideas instead? Help make you union better. These guys are busting their ass 777. Against a management that has had an anti pilot mentality for a decade.

3. Descent idea here. The problem is, your management friends wont have anything to do with working with our pilots as a group. Only if they have dictatorial power over the process has it ever interested them here at ASA. The ASAP program is a perfect example. They wanted to deviate from the standard industry program and modify it so as to still be able to punitively go after pilots which flies in the face of the whole purpose of the program. The relationship is littered with crap like this, always a loophole to drive LaBrecques Benz through. I am open to your #3 when they show they can be trusted. We are about as far away from trust as you can get. It will have to be earned.

4. Ok, so getting rid of the union is going magically make management benevolent and respect the pilot group? Puck Mugger is right, you may need professional help if you beleive this. 2% is the best insurance policy I could have at this place.

5. If you actually could have a cordial conversation with your MEC reps and volunteers, many have had extensive experience with the crowd the company has at the table, they would enlighten you as to their behavior and tactics all led by the managment law firm Ford & Harrison. BTW, there are acording to the last Abort newsletter put out a few weeks ago, 50+ people you could talk to.

6. The only thing laBrecque has done so far is fire Chuck Thibaudeau that is noteworthy good. Other than that he is trying to pick my pocket in order to add to the record profits of this and our parent airline. NO! He has done nothing to improve the work experience here nor has he reigned in the attacks on the current contract. And he is lying about the pass benefits not being final...they are, he just didnt want a disaster during the holidays.

Have a good New Year

 

[AdamKooper]

I'll be voting NO on any strike vote.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Kooper - Why?

 

[AdamKooper]

Kooper - Why?

See my post here for the reason why.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showpost.php?p=853129&postcount=28

 

[~~~^~~~]

Adam:

Your post is flame bait. We are not talking pay increases. We are talking scheduling changes more than anything else.

Why don't you pull up that three day trip to BTR that costs the company more than $2,000 in hotel rooms and per diem, but pays the pilots three hours of block. It is that sort of blatant disregard for our quality of life that we are fighting.

This Company could have a contract, but their attack on what little scope we have and scheduling seals the deal for me. I'll vote to shut this place down, laugh and not look back.

 

[FL990]

I'll be voting NO on any strike vote.

Be sure to by the name brand lube and not the generic...I hear it takes some of the sting out of it. And you are gonna want to put a pretty generous portion...make sure you get it both on and around the orphis...


Fins is right...I call flaim bait!!

 

[anon]

My goodness, it seems we have a few management trolls on here.

 

[777_Jackpot]

777 Jackpot, you actually think the union and others havn't tried to work with the company to reduce cost elsewhere? They are as receptive to that as we are to the proposal they just put out.

You keep saying the CNC and union should have produced something by now but you don't say how they were supposed to do that. How does one negotiate or bargain when the other side doesn't bargain or negotiate.

Maybe if you brought them milk and cookies or pizza managment would change their attitude? The company says we're asking for too much and we say they're full of SH*T. I havn't heard managment saying they will take an 8% paycut along side us. Why is it that only the pilot costs have grown above acceptability? I call BS on that! There are so many gross inefficiencies in our company that have been brought to the attention of managment(many from myself) and they are still happening on a daily basis.

If your not part of the solution then you are part of the problem.

NO! Of course I think the union has suggested ideas to cut costs elsewere, but, two things: 1)the cost savings weren't sufficient enough and 2)they were proposed by the union itself. Thats part of the hinderence [#2] to any effective communication and teamwork. Management does and always will view the union as a financial cancer, and rightly so, simple as that. Unfortunately with that being said, anything suggested by them (ALPA) is going to be immediately tarnished by years and years of managment - union conflicts (not limited to just at ASA), making any rational bargining next to impossibe.

Unfortunetly, it this case, the solution you repetedly refer to IS the problem.

 

[777_Jackpot]

OK, lets re-cap:

1. You have NEVER attended an LEC meeting. This explains half of why you dont seem to want to be part of the solution by getting involved at the minimal level.

2. Well if you want to take the tact of just insulting the guy, no shiott it wont go over well. Why dont you introduce yourself and offer some ideas instead? Help make you union better. These guys are busting their ass 777. Against a management that has had an anti pilot mentality for a decade.

3. Descent idea here. The problem is, your management friends wont have anything to do with working with our pilots as a group. Only if they have dictatorial power over the process has it ever interested them here at ASA. The ASAP program is a perfect example. They wanted to deviate from the standard industry program and modify it so as to still be able to punitively go after pilots which flies in the face of the whole purpose of the program. The relationship is littered with crap like this, always a loophole to drive LaBrecques Benz through. I am open to your #3 when they show they can be trusted. We are about as far away from trust as you can get. It will have to be earned.

4. Ok, so getting rid of the union is going magically make management benevolent and respect the pilot group? Puck Mugger is right, you may need professional help if you beleive this. 2% is the best insurance policy I could have at this place.

5. If you actually could have a cordial conversation with your MEC reps and volunteers, many have had extensive experience with the crowd the company has at the table, they would enlighten you as to their behavior and tactics all led by the managment law firm Ford & Harrison. BTW, there are acording to the last Abort newsletter put out a few weeks ago, 50+ people you could talk to.

6. The only thing laBrecque has done so far is fire Chuck Thibaudeau that is noteworthy good. Other than that he is trying to pick my pocket in order to add to the record profits of this and our parent airline. NO! He has done nothing to improve the work experience here nor has he reigned in the attacks on the current contract. And he is lying about the pass benefits not being final...they are, he just didnt want a disaster during the holidays.

Have a good New Year

As for this...

#2) I absolutely, 100% agree with you, but unfortunetly all of there hard work is in vain, because of their union association.

 

[Bizjet]

I'll be voting NO on any strike vote.

Maybe you need to raise your expectations. If Mom and Dad keep sending you those deposits to your checking account you will probably feel secure. Some of the pilots here are wanting to make this a better place for all employees. Management always takes good care of themselves. I assume that you are one of those or at the very least a management suck a**!

If you are bored take some scissors and cut holes in your pants pocket so you can have a little something else to play with and maybe stay off Mom and Dad's computer!

 

[Tomct]

:laughuck, that was AWESOME. I just about fell off the chair laughing!

777...You are truely a jackass! Idiots like you are a fungus on the balls of the piloting profession!

 

[777_Jackpot]

:laughuck, that was AWESOME. I just about fell off the chair laughing!

777...You are truely a jackass! Idiots like you are a fungus on the balls of the piloting profession!

Ya know at one time I might have taken offense to that, but 1) your obviously a dinosaur wanting things to go back to the "Good Ol' Days", in which case I'll wait 2 years for you to retire. 2) The "profession" you speak of needs to grow a set of balls before they can grow any sort of fungus.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

BTW, that funny smell is Brian Labreques pubes in your nostrils.

Ya know at one time I might have taken offense to that

So.......are you saying......that you like pubes in your nostrils? 'Cause that's what it sounds like.