ASA "Roadmap to STRIKE"

[Phony Marconi]

C'omon, boys.....it's time.

They're just yankin' us around. Read the negotiation updates.

I'm outta here!

 

[777_Jackpot]

Time alright....time to oust ALPA

 

[Magneto]

Time alright....time to oust ALPA

You know I hear stuff like this and wonder why everyone is on SkyWest's back to get ALPA on property. Everyone who is ALPA is either in bankruptcy or seriously hurting.

 

["GO AROUND"]

Time alright....time to oust ALPA

Let's see you do a better job! All I hear is ya'll whiners bitch that it's the unions fault, when they have shown up from day 1 prepared and trying to negotiate the best contract for the pilot group. As the saying goes "don't blame the players, blame the game" that the company has taken advantage of and abused from day 1.

Oh, I forgot you would step up but they won't let you. Whatever! Don't let me keep you from the Company breast that you were sucking on.

 

[~~~^~~~]

deletede

 

[goodto50meters]

Time alright....time to oust ALPA

Why?

What has the ASA MEC done that has not been in your interests? I know many of these guys and they are stand-up people who are line pilots and give a great deal of their time and talent to this and have to live with the end result as do we all.

ALPA as a national organization has its issues granted. It is what you make of it though as a member. Rome was not built in a day.

When was the last LEC meeting you attended?
When was the last time you talked to a Rep and told them what you think?
What would you do different?
What can you offer to do to help?
What is your position on ASA pilot negotiations?
What is your opinion of management?

Sincerely,

GT50M

 

[be-400xpdriver]

Time alright....time to oust ALPA

Ask naught what your union can do for you. Ask what you can do for your union.

 

[701EV]

Repeat After Me,

"Strike, Strike, Strike, Strike, Strike, Strike, Strike.


701ev

 

[777_Jackpot]

Why?

What has the ASA MEC done that has not been in your interests?

What have they GOT done that has been in my interest? Listen, I'm not saying that the ASA MEC isn't 100% for creating a better quality of life for ASA pilots. What I am saying though, is the fact that the union has been tasked with negotiating a better contract, and has thus far, failed. I know its not entirely their falt, but it is their job. As far as I am concerned ALPA can join Willy and the many others who comprise a long list of people at this company who were given a chance at a task, failed, and now need to be fired.

777JP

 

["GO AROUND"]

What have they GOT done that has been in my interest? Listen, I'm not saying that the ASA MEC isn't 100% for creating a better quality of life for ASA pilots. What I am saying though, is the fact that the union has been tasked with negotiating a better contract, and has thus far, failed. I know its not entirely their falt, but it is their job. As far as I am concerned ALPA can join Willy and the many others who comprise a long list of people at this company who were given a chance at a task, failed, and now need to be fired.

777JP

Definition of negotiate (verb forms: negotiated; negotiated; negotiating)
to bargain with others for an agreement. Definition of bargain (noun forms plural: bargains) to deal; a good agreement.
How have they failed? You said it exactly, their task was to NEGOTIATE a better contract and they have been doing their job. As the company said, it takes two to negotiate, and the company hasn't negotiated or bargained, they have demanded we accept what little they have proposed without bargaining. The CNC has been prepare from day 1 to negotiate/bargain and had every section proposed to the company with nothing from the company. Did you expect them to make the company negotiate back? Again, how have they failed? The company has failed you, but that get's you no where so you bash on the union and CNC.
Just because you wanted a contract 2 years ago, it's their fault for not producing it. The only point you have is that they didn't get you your contract when you wanted it, Right? You obviously have no idea how the process works, you just want what you want when you want it. Funny, that sounds just like managment rhetoric.

Comparing Willy and others to the union, that's stupidity.

 

[goodto50meters]

What have they GOT done that has been in my interest? Listen, I'm not saying that the ASA MEC isn't 100% for creating a better quality of life for ASA pilots. What I am saying though, is the fact that the union has been tasked with negotiating a better contract, and has thus far, failed. I know its not entirely their falt, but it is their job. As far as I am concerned ALPA can join Willy and the many others who comprise a long list of people at this company who were given a chance at a task, failed, and now need to be fired.

777JP

You simply re-stated your original post.

How about answering the other 6 questions? Are they too hard for you?

Just some friendly advice: Be part of the solution not part of the problem.

Regards

 

[777_Jackpot]

Definition of negotiate (verb forms: negotiated; negotiated; negotiating)
to bargain with others for an agreement. Definition of bargain (noun forms plural: bargains) to deal; a good agreement.
How have they failed? You said it exactly, their task was to NEGOTIATE a better contract and they have been doing their job. As the company said, it takes two to negotiate, and the company hasn't negotiated or bargained, they have demanded we accept what little they have proposed without bargaining. The CNC has been prepare from day 1 to negotiate/bargain and had every section proposed to the company with nothing from the company. Did you expect them to make the company negotiate back? Again, how have they failed? The company has failed you, but that get's you no where so you bash on the union and CNC.
Just because you wanted a contract 2 years ago, it's their fault for not producing it. The only point you have is that they didn't get you your contract when you wanted it, Right? You obviously have no idea how the process works, you just want what you want when you want it. Funny, that sounds just like managment rhetoric.

Comparing Willy and others to the union, that's stupidity.

No argurment here! They have most certainly partaken in the act of nogotiating...they've accomplished next to nothing, but they have been doing there jobs - to nogotiate. But there is a fine line between doing your job, and doing your job effectively, the later not describing the CNC's performance thus far. And you're correct, my point is that I don't have my contract when I wanted it, unfortunately, a simple gander in the bag room and seeing a hundred "3 Years Is To Long" stickers would lend a person to believe that it is the point of a majority of the pilots, if not all. The only difference is, I am assigning blame to those who should shoulder it the most, ALPA.

 

[777_Jackpot]

You simply re-stated your original post.

How about answering the other 6 questions? Are they too hard for you?

Just some friendly advice: Be part of the solution not part of the problem.

Regards

No they're not to hard, I just thought the answers would have been obvious by now, sorry for the assumption:

#1 When was the last LEC meeting you attended?
Never

#2 When was the last time you talked to a Rep and told them what you think?
Yeah, that would go over well, "hey, you guys are really ineffective, I want my money back"

#3 What would you do different?
I would be exploring with managment, ways to reduce enough operating expenses to allow for a compensation increase, and examine ways to make the operation efficient enough so the company doesn't feel the need to have such a tight "leach" on work rules.

#4 What can you offer to do to help?
Just about...exactly 2%

#5 What is your position on ASA pilot negotiations?
I think that is already apparent

#6 What is your opinion of management?
Although, I think changes need to continue, the ones they have made are a step in the right direction. I think BL is a good COO, most importantly I think Willy sucks

 

[BigHangar]

You know I hear stuff like this and wonder why everyone is on SkyWest's back to get ALPA on property. Everyone who is ALPA is either in bankruptcy or seriously hurting.

Umm, you guys need a little more gray matter up there. The whole reason ASA ALPA has no power is because SkyWest has no union and can't stick up for themselves. You should be reversing your thought process and say that if only SkyWest has ALPA, they and their counterparts at ASA could both receive more fair rules and compensation.

 

[Puck Mugger]

No they're not to hard, I just thought the answers would have been obvious by now, sorry for the assumption:

#1 When was the last LEC meeting you attended?
Never

#2 When was the last time you talked to a Rep and told them what you think?
Yeah, that would go over well, "hey, you guys are really ineffective, I want my money back"

#3 What would you do different?
I would be exploring with managment, ways to reduce enough operating expenses to allow for a compensation increase, and examine ways to make the operation efficient enough so the company doesn't feel the need to have such a tight "leach" on work rules.

#4 What can you offer to do to help?
Just about...exactly 2%

#5 What is your position on ASA pilot negotiations?
I think that is already apparent

#6 What is your opinion of management?
Although, I think changes need to continue, the ones they have made are a step in the right direction. I think BL is a good COO, most importantly I think Willy sucks

You are in desperate need of professional help.

BTW, that funny smell is Brian Labreques pubes in your nostrils.