ASA pilots preparing for possible strike

[ILOVEBEER]

and no, alpa doesn't do ******************** for me. or you. or anyone at the regionals.

Loss of medical insurance
Access to ALPA legal dept
Access to ALPA medical (worth 2% to me just for this alone)

I have friends that wouldn't be working if it wasn't for ALPA medical. Not everyone is as lucky as you.

 

[79%N1]

So, whats next for us? I suppose we all just sit back until next Sept 15th, then we can go walk in some more circles to show em we really mean business this time!!!! Yawn! This would be rediculous if it werent so sad! Either, we want a fair contract and were going to do something about it, or we don't, and we keep letting them walk all over us, and don't fool yourselves, they ARE walking all over us! We are starting to look like a joke in the eyes of every airline pilot and manager in the industry, especially JA, BL and the rest of them. I flew with a Capt the other day that made a good point. He said, 'we don't have a contract yet because we really don't want it, or arent willing to do what is really necessary to get one! Great point. We just sit back, watch it all happen while they laugh! If we want to get this done, it is time to pressure our MEC to pressure for a release. For me, it is sh1t or get off the pot time. Lets get what were fighting for, or shut this place down! And if it is for good, so be it.....its time. I cant do much more ASA like this anyway. I may need to unleash my own strike and shut me down, because this company has not only ruined this job/profession for me, it has taken away my love of flying, and made it into dread. But, what do we do about it? Walk in circles once a year, spew some rhetoric, slap some bag stickers on........big deal!!! Are we going to do something or not? I just wish someone would freakin tell me!

 

[AMANSWORLD]

So, whats next for us? I suppose we all just sit back until next Sept 15th, then we can go walk in some more circles to show em we really mean business this time!!!! Yawn! This would be rediculous if it werent so sad! Either, we want a fair contract and were going to do something about it, or we don't, and we keep letting them walk all over us, and don't fool yourselves, they ARE walking all over us! We are starting to look like a joke in the eyes of every airline pilot and manager in the industry, especially JA, BL and the rest of them. I flew with a Capt the other day that made a good point. He said, 'we don't have a contract yet because we really don't want it, or arent willing to do what is really necessary to get one! Great point. We just sit back, watch it all happen while they laugh! If we want to get this done, it is time to pressure our MEC to pressure for a release. For me, it is sh1t or get off the pot time. Lets get what were fighting for, or shut this place down! And if it is for good, so be it.....its time. I cant do much more ASA like this anyway. I may need to unleash my own strike and shut me down, because this company has not only ruined this job/profession for me, it has taken away my love of flying, and made it into dread. But, what do we do about it? Walk in circles once a year, spew some rhetoric, slap some bag stickers on........big deal!!! Are we going to do something or not? I just wish someone would freakin tell me!

I agree 100% with you in every respect. We as a group have lost respect within our peers and managers eyes. We took a strike vote and passed nearly 93% in favor -WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? WHY HAVE WE NOT SET A FIRM DATE ON A WALK OUT? And for what it is worth I am really tired of people that say it has to do with the mediator, etc. etc. - It is time to push forward.

 

[Richard Gozinya]

Undisclosed location for a strike center. If they don't want management to find it, just put the SOB out on the ramp by spot 24! Hell they'll never find it there. There sure will be plenty of room because there isn't any work going on out there either.

Ready to go!

IN FAVOR!

Dick

 

[79%N1]

And what good is this so called strike center going to do????? Yawn! We either mean business that we want to get this finished, or we dont! If we do, then lets SET A DATE and walk out on this bullsh1t!!!! I dont care what the mediator says or ALPA National! Lets start the end-game now, or forget it and just take what management gives us............

 

[E120ASA]

What's the problem , I heard on the news (750 AM) while waiting to taxi in from 28 in Atlanta today that Home Depot needs to hire 1000 people. We should be ok.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

What's the problem , I heard on the news (750 AM) while waiting to taxi in from 28 in Atlanta today that Home Depot needs to hire 1000 people. We should be ok.

Yeah, but I hear they're requiring 1000 hours turbine PIC.... and that's just to work the stockroom

 

[atrdriver]

never said that. what I have said is our mec/cnc needs to be more reasonable.

While you seem to think that, the majority thinks that the compnay needs to be more reasonable.

 

[rf285]

What's the problem , I heard on the news (750 AM) while waiting to taxi in from 28 in Atlanta today that Home Depot needs to hire 1000 people. We should be ok.

Also, FWIW, I heard on the radio last night driving home that Skywest (no inc, or asa) is going to be at a big job fair in Atlanta. Things that make you go hummm...

 

[WWEfan]

Undisclosed location for a strike center. If they don't want management to find it, just put the SOB out on the ramp by spot 24! Hell they'll never find it there. There sure will be plenty of room because there isn't any work going on out there either.

Ready to go!

IN FAVOR!

Dick

Now that's funny.

 

["GO AROUND"]

well, thanks for clearing that up for me. Now, sometime when I'm actually talking to you, I'll keep that in mind.

You made a blanket statement that managment was never good at ASA and I disagreed with you. Cause it was when we had competent managment.

 

[ASADriver]

You are by far the biggest whiny betch POS on flightinfo. You knew ASA was represented by ALPA when you hired on here. You don't like ALPA representing ASA pilots, go apply at SKYW.

VOTED IN FAVOR!

The same could be said of anyone who hired on at ASA knowing what the pay and workrules were. If you don't like the pay and workrules, go apply at SKYW.

 

[ASADriver]

ALPA opens a stike center at an "undisclosed location", while Skywest transfers ASA aircraft to a "disclosed location". Brilliant strategy ALPA.

 

[Bizjet]

The same could be said of anyone who hired on at ASA knowing what the pay and workrules were. If you don't like the pay and workrules, go apply at SKYW.

If you don't like ALPA on the property at ASA go apply at SkyWest loser.

 

[No Delay]

79%,

I agree with you 100%. This pilot group doesn't want a contract.

People keep bashing ALPA. It's not just ALPA that has changed...the pilot groups have changed. There is more unity and teamwork in my little boy's cub scout group than there is with this pilot group. Blows me away.

We need to give our CNC/MEC something to work with. The closed runway is knocking out half of our flights...let's take out the other half.

Write it up.
Stay off the radio.
If you feel like you have to fart...call in sick.

 

[John Pennekamp]

79%,

I agree with you 100%. This pilot group doesn't want a contract.

People keep bashing ALPA. It's not just ALPA that has changed...the pilot groups have changed. There is more unity and teamwork in my little boy's cub scout group than there is with this pilot group. Blows me away.

We need to give our CNC/MEC something to work with. The closed runway is knocking out half of our flights...let's take out the other half.

Write it up.
Stay off the radio.
If you feel like you have to fart...call in sick.

Amen!

 

[Dave Benjamin]

ALPA spends more money on the regionals than the regionals contribute.

 

[John Pennekamp]

ALPA spends more money on the regionals than the regionals contribute.

That's a fact.

 

[ohplease!]

You made a blanket statement that managment was never good at ASA and I disagreed with you. Cause it was when we had competent managment.

dude, I NEVER said ASA management wasn't good at ANY TIME. I don't believe that now either. You're off on your own little tangent here. Move on.

 

[ohplease!]

While you seem to think that, the majority thinks that the compnay needs to be more reasonable.

I suppose it depends on who you hang out with/talk to. We all tend to hear what we want to hear. What I hear most of the time is people who think along the same lines as myself but, I don't hang in thecrew lounge very much because I get tired of listening to people whine. Lifes tough enough without taking on everyone elses problems.

You'll hear what suits your needs most, just as I will. Thats just the nature of it. A 93% strike vote does NOT mean the majority of pilots here thinks ASA management is bad or ALPA is good. He!!, I'd have voted in favor if ALPA had not come out with what I believed was something unreasonable just before the vote was taken. In fact, I urged others to vote in favor up until that time. In the system we must operate (Union/MGMT adversaries), if you're going to take a strike vote, it must have a high % in favor to be effective.

So, all that being said, don't let 93% strike vote lead you to believe that 93% of the pilots at ASA would vote down the last offer made by MGMT. Case in point: Delta (with all the associated Flightinfo.com experts).

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

Is ASA hiring right now?

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Is ASA hiring right now?

Haahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaa..........

(that would be a no.)

 

[atlcrashpad]

Is ASA hiring right now?

Yes, they are Hiring. Just not pilots. Bouyyyyyyyyyy...

 

[ASADriver]

I agree 100% with you in every respect. We as a group have lost respect within our peers and managers eyes. We took a strike vote and passed nearly 93% in favor -WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? WHY HAVE WE NOT SET A FIRM DATE ON A WALK OUT? And for what it is worth I am really tired of people that say it has to do with the mediator, etc. etc. - It is time to push forward.

So is it ALPA's fault?

 

[ASADriver]

While you seem to think that, the majority thinks that the compnay needs to be more reasonable.

I doubt that. The majority voted to strike so that ALPA would have leverage. However, I don't think the majority agree with ALPA. If they do, then put the company proposal out for a vote. If the majority don't agree with it, they can vote it down. If ALPA doesn't let us vote on it, then they are probably afraid that it might get voted in.

 

[ASADriver]

Also, FWIW, I heard on the radio last night driving home that Skywest (no inc, or asa) is going to be at a big job fair in Atlanta. Things that make you go hummm...

I've heard Skywest will be flying out of ATL in December. Flying former ASA aircraft out of ATL and ALPA will continue to say it is just a bluff.

 

[ASADriver]

If you don't like ALPA on the property at ASA go apply at SkyWest loser.

If you don't like the pay and workrules at ASA, go apply at the regional that has pay and workrules that you want. Same argument Biz.

 

[atrdriver]

I doubt that. The majority voted to strike so that ALPA would have leverage. However, I don't think the majority agree with ALPA. If they do, then put the company proposal out for a vote. If the majority don't agree with it, they can vote it down. If ALPA doesn't let us vote on it, then they are probably afraid that it might get voted in.

The "proposal" that you speak of is substandard to what Skywest currently has, in almost every way. It is also below what we have now in several ways. Do you really think that it would have any chance in hell of passing?

 

[ASADriver]

The "proposal" that you speak of is substandard to what Skywest currently has, in almost every way. It is also below what we have now in several ways. Do you really think that it would have any chance in hell of passing?

Then let us vote, and we can find out. Some of us are concerned about our jobs.

 

[ohplease!]

The "proposal" that you speak of is substandard to what Skywest currently has, in almost every way. It is also below what we have now in several ways. Do you really think that it would have any chance in hell of passing?

I think ALPA is afraid of what might happen if they were to put out that proposal to a vote.