ASA pilot surplus...

[CFI2766]

Well, I'm in jet training.

During a lengthy lunch break, I decided to tour the new A-tech (sp?). I found the 'cube that housed the pilot recruitment/hiring folks.

Earliest possible hiring is speculated to be mid '09.

ASA is currently ~300 pilots overstaffed.

 

[Abernathy]

Well, I'm in jet training.

During a lengthy lunch break, I decided to tour the new A-tech (sp?). I found the 'cube that housed the pilot recruitment/hiring folks.

Earliest possible hiring is speculated to be mid '09.

ASA is currently ~300 pilots overstaffed.

In response to your signature: What would Ronald Reagan do? He'd fire 300 pilots!

In all seriousness, I'm surprised because mid 2009 almost seems too early.

Any word on attrition?

 

[701EV]

I'm guessing somethings up? Why else would ASA have 300 extra pilots.

701EV

 

[ASA_Aviator]

I'm guessing somethings up? Why else would ASA have 300 extra pilots.

701EV

Yeah, haven't you heard? Delta cut our flying back.

 

[McNugent]

The man in charge of hiring (DR) said no plans of hiring for 2009 as of now. But of course that all could change tomorrow. You can thank the economy and Delta.

 

[79%N1]

But Pinnacle and Mesaba will be growing and hiring for their new ATL hubs! Hey, maybe our 300 extra pilots could go there. It would probably be a better deal, like the bunch of pilots that jumped over to Skywest when SLC closed.

 

[Flybywire44]

ASA is the only DCI carrier without PBS and our MX is expensive... we won't be hiring anytime soon. We're not the second lowest cost carrier out there and as a result our "80% ATL flying" is going out the window.

G, I heard winter of '09 is possible.

 

[CX880]

ASA is currently ~300 pilots overstaffed.

Wow, a furlough is less painful than sitting around a crash pad making min guarantee. At least you can work at Mcdonalds and make more out in the real world.

 

[IBNAV8R]

Wow, a furlough is less painful than sitting around a crash pad making min guarantee. At least you can work at Mcdonalds and make more out in the real world.

I hear McD's is hiring.

 

[Texx]

Well, I'm in jet training.

During a lengthy lunch break, I decided to tour the new A-tech (sp?). ASA is currently ~300 pilots overstaffed.

Next time your over there ask a mech. in the hanger why they had to move the tail platforms back in the hanger.

 

[Texx]

ASA is the only DCI carrier without PBS and our MX is expensive... we won't be hiring anytime soon. We're not the second lowest cost carrier out there and as a result our "80% ATL flying" is going out the window.

G, I heard winter of '09 is possible.

I would check your info on this. In the past we were less than Skywest.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Next time your over there ask a mech. in the hanger why they had to move the tail platforms back in the hanger.

So we can do Mx on everyone else's CRJ 900s.

 

[amcnd]

I'm guessing somethings up? Why else would ASA have 300 extra pilots.

701EV

I think that BH has brought over the same deal from SkyWest. They don't like to furlough. It's not good for anyone.

 

[Browntothebone]

300 overstaffed is enough to justify furloughing.

 

[701EV]

Texx,

Bingo!

701EV

 

[Silent Partner]

From my understanding BH is hoping that MESA tanks or downsizes and we will be able to do flying for United. But AMCND you are right BH doesn't want to furlough but there are some people in mngt that want to. Yeah Acey fliers out there. . . .don't expect to see much happen at ASA.

 

[amcnd]

Texx,

Bingo!

701EV

SkyWest is 220 over staffed...so what. We offer Leaves and time off no pay. rather then kicking pilots out the door.

 

[irija]

I've heard two opposite extremes over the last two weeks. From getting 9-900s up to 35 then just yesterday possible furloughing in January.

Delta is having some big meetings in Nov. to determine the flying distribution and future business plans. And the pilots are succumbing to a seniority list deadline (Nov 22) so with all the chips slowly coming down, it's only another 3 months till we finally hear something.

Speculation is a pilots worse enemy.

 

[777forever]

ASA is the only DCI carrier without PBS and our MX is expensive... we won't be hiring anytime soon. We're not the second lowest cost carrier out there and as a result our "80% ATL flying" is going out the window.

G, I heard winter of '09 is possible.

The 80% rule is a combo of ASA/Skywest, not just Skywest.

The 80% rule applies to future flying up for bid, not current flying, which is locked for 15 years.

For example if Delta puts new flying up for bid that cuts into 80% that flying will go to ASA/Skywest as long as they are the 2nd lowest bidder or better.

 

[av8tor4239]

Is there a "NO FURLOUGH" Clause in the ASA contract???

 

[McNugent]

fo shizzle my nizzle

 

[Texx]

The 80% rule is a combo of ASA/Skywest, not just Skywest.

The 80% rule applies to future flying up for bid, not current flying, which is locked for 15 years.

For example if Delta puts new flying up for bid that cuts into 80% that flying will go to ASA/Skywest as long as they are the 2nd lowest bidder or better.

Delta, in its sole discretion, shall establish and publish all schedules for the Aircraft, including city-pairs served, frequencies, and timing of scheduled departures. Where practical, Delta will collaborate with ASA to determine mutually optimal schedules. ASA shall operate the Aircraft in the city pairs designated by Delta, subject to the frequency, scheduling and other requirements established by Delta from time to time. In addition, it is agreed and understood that Delta may utilize and schedule any of the Aircraft to perform various charter operations on behalf of Delta as can be reasonably accommodated by ASA. Notwithstanding the above, but subject to reduction as provided elsewhere in this Agreement, Delta covenants and agrees that during each year of the “Term” (as defined in Article 11 hereof), (i) ASA shall be scheduled to operate not less than [***] of all Delta Connection Program departures scheduled at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport (“Hartsfield”) and (ii) [***] ((i) and (ii) above, collectively, the “ATL Departure Percentages.”)

It has nothing to do with future growth.

 

[JettBoii]

Where did the 300 pilot number come from?

 

[Erlanger]

I think that BH has brought over the same deal from SkyWest. They don't like to furlough. It's not good for anyone.

It's not good for guys that like to fly alot. We have guys at Skywest that are bitching we need to furlough so they can fly their usual 100 hrs a month. With the excess pilots the average pilot gets only 80 hrs now. Some of the senior guys are complaining it's equivalent to taking a paycut because of it.

 

[ehaecker]

Must be nice to be senior enough to wish your fellow pilots out of a job just so you can make more money.

 

[Erlanger]

Must be nice to be senior enough to wish your fellow pilots out of a job just so you can make more money.

I think it's funny how some of these same guys talked about pilot unity during the ALPA drive here but now they're quick to toss aside their fellow pilots when it effects their pockets. But this is everywhere; in every airline you'll have pilots like this, union or non-union. Everyone talks tough but in the end it's about ourselves, right?

 

[BWatz]

It's not good for guys that like to fly alot. We have guys at Skywest that are bitching we need to furlough so they can fly their usual 100 hrs a month. With the excess pilots the average pilot gets only 80 hrs now. Some of the senior guys are complaining it's equivalent to taking a paycut because of it.

I am at a loss for words... WTF is wrong with people?

 

[Flybywire44]

The 80% rule is a combo of ASA/Skywest, not just Skywest.

The 80% rule applies to future flying up for bid, not current flying, which is locked for 15 years.

For example if Delta puts new flying up for bid that cuts into 80% that flying will go to ASA/Skywest as long as they are the 2nd lowest bidder or better.

No, not future flying and if we don't stay the 2nd cheapest it goes out the window. I don't know if its ASA or ASA/Skywest. Bottom line is since our metrics are off we stand to face no or negative growth. Oh well... :crying:

 

[PooPooPants]

It's not good for guys that like to fly alot. We have guys at Skywest that are bitching we need to furlough so they can fly their usual 100 hrs a month. With the excess pilots the average pilot gets only 80 hrs now. Some of the senior guys are complaining it's equivalent to taking a paycut because of it.

I hate to say it but I heard a few senior captains make the same statement the other day while I was sitting RR at ASA.

 

[I_Love_Lamp]

Wow, a furlough is less painful than sitting around a crash pad making min guarantee. At least you can work at Mcdonalds and make more out in the real world.

Clearly you've never been furloughed.