ASA Pilot Arrested @ GRR

[John Pennekamp]

FOM, managements rights.

And in some cases it can be longer if someone has had problems. History can repeat itself.

D. Probation

1. A pilot shall be on probation for a period not to exceed twelve (12) months of active service following date of hire.

2. A probationary pilot may be disciplined by the Company, at its sole discretion, with no resort to the grievance procedure or System Board of Adjustment. Probationary pilots may file non-disciplinary grievances.

3. A pilot who has completed at least six (6) months, but less than twelve (12) months, of active service as a first officer, who becomes initially qualified as a captain shall be deemed to have completed his probationary period.

4. If the Company elects to conduct a probationary review, a pilot will not be called to the airport on a day off for the purpose of attending such review, and the duration of such review shall not exceed two (2) hours.

Looks pretty cut and dry to me.

They can put whatever they want to in the FOM, but that doesn't make it override the contract. I think "management's rights" would be an extremely weak case in front of an arbitrator. If an arbitrator were to render such a decision, it could open the door for management to wave a wand and extend the probation retroactively of anyone they want to fire. Ain't gonna happen.

 

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D. Probation

1. A pilot shall be on probation for a period not to exceed twelve (12) months of active service following date of hire.

2. A probationary pilot may be disciplined by the Company, at its sole discretion, with no resort to the grievance procedure or System Board of Adjustment. Probationary pilots may file non-disciplinary grievances.

3. A pilot who has completed at least six (6) months, but less than twelve (12) months, of active service as a first officer, who becomes initially qualified as a captain shall be deemed to have completed his probationary period.

4. If the Company elects to conduct a probationary review, a pilot will not be called to the airport on a day off for the purpose of attending such review, and the duration of such review shall not exceed two (2) hours.

Looks pretty cut and dry to me.

They can put whatever they want to in the FOM, but that doesn't make it override the contract. I think "management's rights" would be an extremely weak case in front of an arbitrator. If an arbitrator were to render such a decision, it could open the door for management to wave a wand and extend the probation retroactively of anyone they want to fire. Ain't gonna happen.

And there you have it. #4. And if the said pilot has been a very, very bad pilot it has been done, in the past, to extend his probation to keep his job. Now, as I stated before he was asked to see a CP for his "review". IF the request was made prior to the 1 yr DOH date and the said pilot did not comply then there is an issue.

Once again, check history if you have the ability to do so.

 

[CFIT]

This is precisely what our industry needs, some boozed up lunatic pilot on a over night smashing windows. And people think a union should help him retain his job? This is way beyond job protection and if ALPA supports retaining his position then I guess you get what you deserve.

Ya, that's what I'd want my 2% to go to.......

 

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This is precisely what our industry needs, some boozed up lunatic pilot on a over night smashing windows. And people think a union should help him retain his job? This is way beyond job protection and if ALPA supports retaining his position then I guess you get what you deserve.

Ya, that's what I'd want my 2% to go to.......

I'm sorry..Did anyone ask you for an opinion?

 

[embdrvr]

This is precisely what our industry needs, some boozed up lunatic pilot on a over night smashing windows. And people think a union should help him retain his job? This is way beyond job protection and if ALPA supports retaining his position then I guess you get what you deserve.

Ya, that's what I'd want my 2% to go to.......

the third word on the top line in your avatar fits you to a "t."
who said the union should save this guy's job?
however most non retards would prefer that facts are verified before action is taken.
no union will be saving the guy's job if allegations are indeed true.

 

[CFIT]

I'm sorry..Did anyone ask you for an opinion?

Yes, actually it has been requested many times. Just as when someone utters "BS" you begin to automatically talk.

 

[WWEfan]

Who knows if ALPA will decide to help this guy protect his job. However, I am certain they will investigate it by hearing his side of the story and not base it on this message board.

 

[embdrvr]

So basically you guys want a huge raise yet have pilots getting arrested on overnights?? I do not believe this helps your case.

So that's why you feel SKYW pilots don't deserve a raise either?
Where was that case that made the news recently? Up in the Dakota's somewhere?
Every airline has their share of people who have a substance abuse issue. It's no different than the rest of society.

Please tell me you're not quite off probation yet.

 

[CFIT]

the third word on the top line in your avatar fits you to a "t."
who said the union should save this guy's job?
however most non retards would prefer that facts are verified before action is taken.
no union will be saving the guy's job if allegations are indeed true.

Not the way PenisKramp says it should be.

 

[www.]

Yes, actually it has been requested many times. Just as when someone utters "BS" you begin to automatically talk.

Just not on this issue. And since the title fits you, yes we will call you BS.

 

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Not the way PenisKramp says it should be.

Now you make me laugh! He tends to speak before doing the research.

 

[embdrvr]

Not the way PenisKramp says it should be.

Reading comprehension has always been difficult for you hasn't it?
Go back and read John's posts again.
He's gone off on a tangent about whether or not there is a need for a meeting with a management rep to get off probation. That was in response to someone else talking about how the pilot in question hadn't had his "off probation" meeting. According to the contract it's not required.

I don't see where John is saying this guy should have his job protected if he is guilty of drunk and disorderly behavior. He did say that we shouldn't jump to conclusions though. That's good advice.

 

[goahead]

Yup, Our union has got some dipsh_its their job's back at ASA but has had the same result on more guys they deserved their jobs back. So I'll take that over no chance of getting my job back.

 

[HelloNewman]

Yup, Our union has got some dipsh_its their job's back at ASA but has had the same result on more guys they deserved their jobs back. So I'll take that over no chance of getting my job back.

They should save the guys job who deserve it and let the dipwads get fired. Why on earth would anyone want a guy smashing windows, getting drunk as a skunk on an overnight to keep his job? Another reason for no union at SkyWest. I don't believe many if any people have been wrongly terminated here. Most people here who have been fired are people who deserved it. I remember some members of the OC saying how few people have been fired at union airlines in the last 5 years due to the union saving their job. Thats a lot of dipwads that probably shouldn't have had their job saved. No thanks I don't want to pay to have guys like that get their job saved all the time. Guys like this are an embarassment to all pilots.

 

[embdrvr]

NewWoman,

So you're proud of the fact that Don D was fired by SkyW after being employed by SkyWest since your sorry a$$ was in diapers?

There are a few others that I know personally that warranted a letter in their file but were fired instead. I will be laughing my a$$ off if you get fired without good cause.

You're a fukking rookie. Why not pay some attention to the 10 and 15 year guys? You too smart for that?

 

[rtmcfi]

I don't believe many if any people have been wrongly terminated here. Most people here who have been fired are people who deserved it.

Time for a little due diligence son. You might be surprised by what you find. Try not to sign to many papers. You wouldn't want your handwriting analyzed.

Assuming you only turn up a few names of people wrongfully terminated, how many is too many? Are you willing to sacrifice a couple of peers? Is 1 or 2 ok? Where do you draw the line? 3 or 4? Would you be alright being one of the chosen few?

 

[EatinRamen]

From today's morning report:
28NOV06
0859 DM N/A MIME F/O arrested during overnight in GRR. NNNN GRR ATL 835
F/O XXXX XXXXX ARRESTED IN GRR FOR VANDILIZING CARS AND RESISTING ARREST
PER CREW SCHEDULING. CP XXXXX WAS CALLED AND FLIGHT TO ATL WILL BE DELAYED
FOR A STAGED F/O. XXXXX WAS ORIGIONALLY SKD FOR NNNN GRRCVG. NNNN WILL BE
DELAYED DUE TO DOWNLINE COVERAGE.

 

[Windsor]

From today's morning report:
28NOV06
0859 DM N/A MIME F/O arrested during overnight in GRR. NNNN GRR ATL 835
F/O XXXX XXXXX ARRESTED IN GRR FOR VANDILIZING CARS AND RESISTING ARREST
PER CREW SCHEDULING. CP XXXXX WAS CALLED AND FLIGHT TO ATL WILL BE DELAYED
FOR A STAGED F/O. XXXXX WAS ORIGIONALLY SKD FOR NNNN GRRCVG. NNNN WILL BE
DELAYED DUE TO DOWNLINE COVERAGE.

F/O XXXX XXXXX can consider his career in the airline industry officially over. Good luck explaining this in an interview.

 

[SkyWASA]

F/O XXXX XXXXX can consider his career in the airline industry officially over. Good luck explaining this in an interview.

Maybe it could be explained as the beer goggle effect making the AMC Pacer he trashed resemble Buyin LiarBrat's Diablo and the Chevette next to it appear to be Professor Hall's Hummer H2.

 

[txpilot1974]

Mabye its just me, but I fail to understand how someone getting trashed on an overnight and tearing stuff up has anything to do with unions.

Newman, If you really do fly for SKW (which I seriously doubt) you are an embarassment to all of us. I get dumber with every one of your posts that I read.

 

[Nightrain_080]

Just listen to Newanker over on the SkyWest pay thread. Unfingbelievable.
This guy needs a blanket party!

 

[txpilot1974]

Just listen to Newanker over on the SkyWest pay thread. Unfingbelievable.
This guy needs a blanket party!

I saw that. I cant even get through the whole thread. Thats more agony than I need today. That guy is all about flame.

 

[79%N1]

This message is hidden because HelloNewman is on your ignore list.

Aaaaaaah!

 

[PCL_128]

This is precisely what our industry needs, some boozed up lunatic pilot on a over night smashing windows. And people think a union should help him retain his job? This is way beyond job protection and if ALPA supports retaining his position then I guess you get what you deserve.

Ya, that's what I'd want my 2% to go to.......

And who is the wise man that gets to decide who "deserves" representation and who does not? If the allegations in this case are true (we don't know yet), then this case seems very black-and-white. However, most cases are very grey and it becomes difficult to determine whether someone is "deserving" or not. So, again, who decides who is worthy of representation and who is not?

The only fair way to handle it is to provide representation to everyone. If the facts back up the company's determination to discipline someone, then the arbitrator will rule in their favor. The Association doesn't just "get someone their job back" like the fools on this board think. The Association merely provides a fair defense and the arbitrator will make the final decision after looking at the facts, listening to witnesses and experts, and hearing the case from both the Association and the company.

 

[Tarzan]

They should save the guys job who deserve it and let the dipwads get fired. Why on earth would anyone want a guy smashing windows, getting drunk as a skunk on an overnight to keep his job? Another reason for no union at SkyWest. I don't believe many if any people have been wrongly terminated here. Most people here who have been fired are people who deserved it. I remember some members of the OC saying how few people have been fired at union airlines in the last 5 years due to the union saving their job. Thats a lot of dipwads that probably shouldn't have had their job saved. No thanks I don't want to pay to have guys like that get their job saved all the time. Guys like this are an embarassment to all pilots.

79%, I tossed this up for you. It's just not fair that you don't read his drivel but I think I am with you now. Welcome to the relatively short list of those I ignore, you friggen Tool. I think only Dork Angelo, GuppyKiller and EMBSkillz made that list. Probably the same duoche bucket though.

 

[Windsor]

Maybe it could be explained as the beer goggle effect making the AMC Pacer he trashed resemble Buyin LiarBrat's Diablo and the Chevette next to it appear to be Professor Hall's Hummer H2.

Nice avatar!!!! LMAO

 

[PCL_128]

79%, I tossed this up for you. It's just not fair that you don't read his drivel but I think I am with you now. Welcome to the relatively short list of those I ignore, you friggen Tool. I think only Dork Angelo, GuppyKiller and EMBSkillz made that list. Probably the same duoche bucket though.

Exactly. They're all the same d0uchebag. Read some of NewWoman's posts and you'll see the close similarity to the crap that Duh'Angeho used to spew.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Exactly. They're all the same d0uchebag. Read some of NewWoman's posts and you'll see the close similarity to the crap that Duh'Angeho used to spew.

Must have finally convinced his "hot lady" to loan him another $10.

 

[dickburns]

Damn right Chuck Norris trained him

 

[dickburns]

so what are you doing here?