ASA PBS Vacation

[princeton]

You'll vote for it then. I had 20 days off with 4 in the current month and 3 days of vacation in the following month. I'm about 42% in base seniority. Not 100% sure if the awards are accurate though considering it was the first time anyone has seen the results. In any case I'm pretty sure I can most always get the 35ish hours required to meet the target credit window which will result in only working 8 days in a vacation month.

Not sure if I understand. Did you get paid min guarantee too? (75 hours pay per month or whatever).

I think the xjt-ers will agree to PBS if we maintain QOL. If management wants it so badly they wont mind increasing our pay rate 20 or 30% to get it.

 

[NotTooBad]

Not sure if I understand. Did you get paid min guarantee too? (75 hours pay per month or whatever).

I think the xjt-ers will agree to PBS if we maintain QOL. If management wants it so badly they wont mind increasing our pay rate 20 or 30% to get it.

Yes I get 75 hours in this situation.

They won't increase pay 20-30% to get it. The union won't even ask for that because it isn't practical.

If you really want a new 2011 Camaro SS so badly you won't mind giving me your 2011 Ferrari 599 GTO to get it.

 

[Speedtape]

That whole "virtual credit" nonsense is a load of crap. I ALWAYS went for max time off. We are screwed!!

I disagree. Maybe, you just have not figured it out yet, because you spend too much time posting on FB and FI!

Even, a fifth grader can figure it out!

 

[Speedtape]

No it's the one we did back in sept I think. It's on flica under Bidding, pilot practice bid pbs, septermber.
I'm sure what "Scott Hall" haha said is possible that is why I asked the question because looking at the award it looks like 18-20 days off in a 7 day vacation month are gone for most of the group.

First, I will raise the BS flag on your insinuation, that under current line bidding system that most people can get 18-20 days off in a 7 day vacation month. That is only possible if you bid well, dropped some time, and were willing to take a serious pay hit to something less than guarantee. Under those conditions, it might be possible. So, at least make believable statements.

Secondly, after studying the results in that Sep award, fairly junior people who understood how to bid, were able to achieve max days off, with what have been paid at guarantee. They could never have achieved that under Line Bidding. If you want to know how it was done, then put in some effort like they did to learn the software and the strategy. I am quite sure they probably spent time with someone in the crew lounge as well as practiced submitting bids. It's not too deep a mystery to figure it out.

After seeing the good vacation awards that had the maximum time off, and giving some thought to it, anyone that holds a line should be able to accomplish the same award. Really, it's quite simple. However, your IQ has to be higher than an Idiot Savant (25), and you have to get off your lazy, complaining duff and learn the system and how to make it do what you want, so as to make your schedule look like you need it to look.

They figured it out, and after a little time and effort, anyone that wants the same results can do the same. Are you practicing the big Catfish method? The big catfish sits in one place below a damn with his big mouth opened waiting for the damn to open to capture his meal. You are parked on FI, complaing about it, in the hopes that someone will spoon feed you, so you don't have to make the effort. I will not spoon feed your complaining, lazy, know-nothing, carcass.

Keep sitting Catfish! Your strategy is not much different than the panhandler sitting on the curb, pretending to look for work.

Maximizing vacation works with this PBS. If the desired results are not there, it's not the software, it's the Catfish doing the bid!

 

[777forever]

first, i will raise the bs flag on your insinuation, that under current line bidding system that most people can get 18-20 days off in a 7 day vacation month. That is only possible if you bid well, dropped some time, and were willing to take a serious pay hit to something less than guarantee. Under those conditions, it might be possible. So, at least make believable statements.

Secondly, after studying the results in that sep award, fairly junior people who understood how to bid, were able to achieve max days off, with what have been paid at guarantee. They could never have achieved that under line bidding. If you want to know how it was done, then put in some effort like they did to learn the software and the strategy. I am quite sure they probably spent time with someone in the crew lounge as well as practiced submitting bids. It's not too deep a mystery to figure it out.

After seeing the good vacation awards that had the maximum time off, and giving some thought to it, anyone that holds a line should be able to accomplish the same award. Really, it's quite simple. However, your iq has to be higher than an idiot savant (25), and you have to get off your lazy, complaining duff and learn the system and how to make it do what you want, so as to make your schedule look like you need it to look.

They figured it out, and after a little time and effort, anyone that wants the same results can do the same. Are you practicing the big catfish method? The big catfish sits in one place below a damn with his big mouth opened waiting for the damn to open to capture his meal. You are parked on fi, complaing about it, in the hopes that someone will spoon feed you, so you don't have to make the effort. I will not spoon feed your complaining, lazy, know-nothing, carcass.

Keep sitting catfish! Your strategy is not much different than the panhandler sitting on the curb, pretending to look for work.

Maximizing vacation works with this pbs. If the desired results are not there, it's not the software, it's the catfish doing the bid!

hot dayum!!!

Speedtape wins!!!!

Fatality!!!!!!!!!!

 

[badog]

no pbs from xjt period

I dont care what any asa noodling hillbilly says, unless you can give me stellar pay or something else worth me and my coworkers giving up our tried and true system over your, "practice", play bid, pbs will die. I could care less about how happy the company would be, PAY ME!

 

[79%N1]

Another post from a unrealistic, irrational me- me- me disgruntled XJT pilot. This is gonna be a fun merger.

 

[badog]

Another post from a unrealistic, irrational me- me- me disgruntled XJT pilot. This is gonna be a fun merger.

Another post from a, "the company looks out for me" un informed asa jerk.
asa has never been out on their own. they have always been under a corporate umbrella of some other company. So if that's the reality and it is, then PAY ME and keep your kumbaya crap.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Another post from a, "the company looks out for me" un informed asa jerk.
asa has never been out on their own. they have always been under a corporate umbrella of some other company. So if that's the reality and it is, then PAY ME and keep your kumbaya crap.

I have no dog in this fight, but it seems to me that your attitude is a big reason why most analysts agree that Expressjet would be out of business in a year if ASA hadn't bought them, so maybe you should check your ego and start listening to the ASA pilots. They must know something about balancing a good contract with still keeping the company profitable and IN BUSINESS. But if max pay to the last day is your goal, then so be it.

 

[79%N1]

Another post from a, "the company looks out for me" un informed asa jerk.
asa has never been out on their own. they have always been under a corporate umbrella of some other company. So if that's the reality and it is, then PAY ME and keep your kumbaya crap.

It's so funny how you guys "want, want, want", all this chest pounding we won't take this or we won't accept that. Question. What would you be demanding or getting if SKYWEST (just so nobody gets PO'd if I say ASA) hadn't acquired you? My guess is nothing. You would possibly be pressured for more concessions. Now, since sombody steps in to acquire you you get all greedy and demanding.

And BTW, I never said the "company looks out for me", but we are a bit less "oh no, everyone is out to get me" than you guys are. We also understand that the Regional biz, especially the DCI side, is insanely competitive. We believe we have a balance between a fair contract and keeping costs where we do not suffer a Comair-like fate. But I suppose that makes us all management shills, huh? I want to be paid like a UPS Captain, just like you. I just get that it is not possible or sustainable as long as we compete with Mesa, Pinnacle and Go-Jets. So, let your next round of insults fly, and be sure to tell us what you "demand", too!

 

[cybourg10]

It's so funny how you guys "want, want, want", all this chest pounding we won't take this or we won't accept that. Question. What would you be demanding or getting if SKYWEST (just so nobody gets PO'd if I say ASA) hadn't acquired you? My guess is nothing. You would possibly be pressured for more concessions. Now, since sombody steps in to acquire you you get all greedy and demanding.

And BTW, I never said the "company looks out for me", but we are a bit less "oh no, everyone is out to get me" than you guys are. We also understand that the Regional biz, especially the DCI side, is insanely competitive. We believe we have a balance between a fair contract and keeping costs where we do not suffer a Comair-like fate. But I suppose that makes us all management shills, huh? I want to be paid like a UPS Captain, just like you. I just get that it is not possible or sustainable as long as we compete with Mesa, Pinnacle and Go-Jets. So, let your next round of insults fly, and be sure to tell us what you "demand", too!

Now you put labels on the entire 2400 pilot group because a few guys wrote something on an anonymous internet message board that you didn't like? The most vocals guys online are usually the biggest d-bags.

 

[79%N1]

You are right. Not trying to lable 2400 pilots for statements by a few. Every pilot I have met in person were good guys. The PBS thing just gets so old. It's not as great as you have. It's not all that bad, in fact can do some cool things line bidding can't do ---- AND YOU CAN STILL MAXIMIZE YOUR VACATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[badog]

Now you put labels on the entire 2400 pilot group because a few guys wrote something on an anonymous internet message board that you didn't like? The most vocals guys online are usually the biggest d-bags.

Just like you huh?

Since asa is and has always been under inc.'s control, they are flush with inc.s
's cash and therefore able to pay a decent wage. I'm not asking for fedex wide body pay, just not willing to take a asa induced pay cut and pbs, Get it loser.
BTW jerk off my tool is much bigger than yours and my daddy can beat your daddy. Just be careful about your, "I'll take what ever you feel i deserve" attitude, because that's just what you'll get.

 

[badog]

It's so funny how you guys "want, want, want", all this chest pounding we won't take this or we won't accept that. Question. What would you be demanding or getting if SKYWEST (just so nobody gets PO'd if I say ASA) hadn't acquired you? My guess is nothing. You would possibly be pressured for more concessions. Now, since sombody steps in to acquire you you get all greedy and demanding.

And BTW, I never said the "company looks out for me", but we are a bit less "oh no, everyone is out to get me" than you guys are. We also understand that the Regional biz, especially the DCI side, is insanely competitive. We believe we have a balance between a fair contract and keeping costs where we do not suffer a Comair-like fate. But I suppose that makes us all management shills, huh? I want to be paid like a UPS Captain, just like you. I just get that it is not possible or sustainable as long as we compete with Mesa, Pinnacle and Go-Jets. So, let your next round of insults fly, and be sure to tell us what you "demand", too!

how many posts? you, mrs. dbag are the reason this industry has run afoul for it's labor.

As stated by our past mec, If the group cannot stand and fight for less than one month, we have no chance. Just keep making your bass boat payments jerk off, or sell the bass boat and just go noodling for yer katfish bubba it's a lot cheaper

 

[cybourg10]

Just like you huh?

Since asa is and has always been under inc.'s control, they are flush with inc.s
's cash and therefore able to pay a decent wage. I'm not asking for fedex wide body pay, just not willing to take a asa induced pay cut and pbs, Get it loser.
BTW jerk off my tool is much bigger than yours and my daddy can beat your daddy. Just be careful about your, "I'll take what ever you feel i deserve" attitude, because that's just what you'll get.

The bears can smell your menstruation.

 

[cybourg10]

You are right. Not trying to lable 2400 pilots for statements by a few. Every pilot I have met in person were good guys. The PBS thing just gets so old. It's not as great as you have. It's not all that bad, in fact can do some cool things line bidding can't do ---- AND YOU CAN STILL MAXIMIZE YOUR VACATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is really simple to me, instead of whining online about PBS I will accept that I am not on the JNC and just give my input via the survey (completed) and emails/phone calls to the negotiators. If the TA is not to my liking I will vote no and then if it passes I will decide whether or not I still want to work under the new rules, it is still free country for now. I bet none of the internet whiners quit if PBS is voted in which makes them that much more ridiculous. Either way most of us are looking forward to this new company and increased QOL for everyone.

 

[LazyLightnin']

This merge is gonna be fun. I've already slept with 3 exjet pilots' wives.

 

[Thebadcat1313]

Just like you huh?

Since asa is and has always been under inc.'s control, they are flush with inc.s
's cash and therefore able to pay a decent wage. I'm not asking for fedex wide body pay, just not willing to take a asa induced pay cut and pbs, Get it loser.
BTW jerk off my tool is much bigger than yours and my daddy can beat your daddy. Just be careful about your, "I'll take what ever you feel i deserve" attitude, because that's just what you'll get.

ASA was purchased by Delta in 1999. It was sold by Delta in 2005 to SkyWest, Inc. ASA has been a wholly owned subsidiary of SkyWest, Inc. since 2005.

 

[crj567]

I dont care what any asa noodling hillbilly says, unless you can give me stellar pay or something else worth me and my coworkers giving up our tried and true system over your, "practice", play bid, pbs will die. I could care less about how happy the company would be, PAY ME!

86% of our guys voted in favor of this crapball system. You have no idea the level of uninformed, disengaged silliness you are getting drug into. I can't decide whether our pilot group has lost it critical reasoning ability, or has just forgotten that it once had a collective set of gonads. Whatever, the effect is the same-we are a collective parade of pansies.

Just read the PBS stuff VERY carefully. It has very misleading, and purposefully weak language. Don't base your opinion on what ANY of our guys may tell you. Only trust what you can see in black and white. Hopefully, XJET has a sufficient number of guys with some sense to help us find our balls again. Maybe we could even get rid of this horrid agreement before it drills us all in the pooper.

 

[Speedtape]

Just like you huh?

Since asa is and has always been under inc.'s control, they are flush with inc.s
's cash and therefore able to pay a decent wage. I'm not asking for fedex wide body pay, just not willing to take a asa induced pay cut and pbs, Get it loser.
BTW jerk off my tool is much bigger than yours and my daddy can beat your daddy. Just be careful about your, "I'll take what ever you feel i deserve" attitude, because that's just what you'll get.

With all due respect, Mr. Badog, I just spent all week-end reading your contract. It's not bad. However, from an overall perspective, I still think the ASA contract is better. However, it's a moot point to argue who has the best. In the future, we will have something that should look better than either today. But, we need to make sure that we don't overreach as there is a point where we can't compete. Our standard, unfortunately, will be Skywest. If we cannot maintain reasonable costs, if Inc. wins flying, it will go to Skywest. Furthermore, if progress is too slow in negotiations, flying will be transferred to Skywest. Unfortunately, there is already history to prove it. We can thump our chest, we can use all the leverage we can muster, but, there is another venue that Inc. will place the flying.