ASA PBS = No more CDO's

[V1rowt8]

So dal controls the trips.. Were lines better or worse prior to PBS? How did lines compare this time last year? PBS is why the lines are the way they are, not because of what DAL is giving ASA to fly.

 

[79%N1]

So how would 'pure lines' be better without the PBS? It would be the same pairings, just awarded differently.

 

[777forever]

So dal controls the trips.. Were lines better or worse prior to PBS? How did lines compare this time last year? PBS is why the lines are the way they are, not because of what DAL is giving ASA to fly.

This time last year the 200 did not have an avg stage length on 1:19. There were much longer flights with lots of frequency still given to the 50. ATL-YYZ, ATL-HPN, ATL-DSM etc. These days are longest flight I believe is ATL-MDT

If PBS was the problem then the 700 and IAD would be having the same issues

 

[Jack-O-Lantern]

So how would 'pure lines' be better without the PBS? It would be the same pairings, just awarded differently.

Exactly, and without all the parameter's and options we have now with PBS. Some of you need to get it! This has nothing to do with PBS!

 

[crj567]

All these parameters are of no value if the company is allowed to design impossible pairings. Saying that "this is not a PBS. problem" is irrelevant. What matters is how this situation can affect our QOL. The source of our troubles now is not the PBS system per se, but it is the fact that the company can build whatever horrible trips it wants, with no trip rigs or effective restrictions whatsoever.

People are starting to really realize what kind of corner we have painted ourselves into. Without decent pairings, we can all effectively be turned into defacto reserves. The company can literally design pairings with such low credit that not one of us would be able to complete a schedule without dropping to min days off. It can get that bad!

Signing any PBS agreement without effective controls on pairing construction was the worst mistake our pilot group has ever made. The more people understand about the power gave the company, and the extent to which it can (and will) be abused, the more angry they will get. This situation is definitely not the kind of scenario we were sold, but it is exactly what more than a few of us tried to warn everyone about.

 

[mxaviator]

This time last year the 200 did not have an avg stage length on 1:19. There were much longer flights with lots of frequency still given to the 50. ATL-YYZ, ATL-HPN, ATL-DSM etc. These days are longest flight I believe is ATL-MDT

If PBS was the problem then the 700 and IAD would be having the same issues

You have no have no idea what you are talking about. I have ATL-YYZ three times this month, ATL-MSN a few times. Did FNT not too long ago as well. Check you facts.

 

[777forever]

You have no have no idea what you are talking about. I have ATL-YYZ three times this month, ATL-MSN a few times. Did FNT not too long ago as well. Check you facts.

Congratulations. The 200 has 2 like flights a week to YYZ. The 700/900 flies there EVERYDAY. Just because its on your pairing 3 times does not mean there is enough frequency to make higher block lines for the 200. Remember the avg stage length of 1:19 is the lowest in the 200's history

We fly ATL-MSN once a day, whereas we fly ATL-AGS 6 times a day. ATL-FNT is done primarily by the DC9 so that must have been a irregular flight on another once a week flight for the 200. Oh yeah, that will get the trips block/credit higher....

 

[BillJBrake]

Scope Out CRJ200s.

It'd be a great start to a greater cause!

 

[Skywest Pylot]

All these parameters are of no value if the company is allowed to design impossible pairings. Saying that "this is not a PBS. problem" is irrelevant. What matters is how this situation can affect our QOL. The source of our troubles now is not the PBS system per se, but it is the fact that the company can build whatever horrible trips it wants, with no trip rigs or effective restrictions whatsoever.

People are starting to really realize what kind of corner we have painted ourselves into. Without decent pairings, we can all effectively be turned into defacto reserves. The company can literally design pairings with such low credit that not one of us would be able to complete a schedule without dropping to min days off. It can get that bad!

Signing any PBS agreement without effective controls on pairing construction was the worst mistake our pilot group has ever made. The more people understand about the power gave the company, and the extent to which it can (and will) be abused, the more angry they will get. This situation is definitely not the kind of scenario we were sold, but it is exactly what more than a few of us tried to warn everyone about.

crj567,

Unfortunately you are tethered to a pilot group whose majority just isn't that bright. We could scream the realities of PBS until we are blue in the face but you just can't fix stupid. The best thing you can do now is move on to a Major (like I did) where there is a better chance of collectively bargaining for something better. Not saying Major pilots are better/superior to Regional pilots but there seems to be a sense of "Professionals should be compensated/treated like professionals" at the Majors. The "How little can I get by on" mentality at the Regionals is depressing. Just some food for thought.

 

[OCP]

Latest on web board is that rewrite MAY be coming.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Don't fool yourselves, IAD pairings are just as useless. Hard to find a 4-day over 17 hrs... folks, I told you so... How long does this go on? Rewrites every month??

Y'all know exactly what rosters look like around this time in past years- decent pairings coupled with high numbers of off days.

Problem is, Papazolio is drooling all over himself because you clowns are gonna be working as many days as he is. The GO really would prefer everyone flying 3:52, seven days per week. 'Cause hey- it's only fair... They HATE pilots and that's the bottom line. Everyone does. I say %$^( them and fly safely.

 

[ace6453]

Congratulations. The 200 has 2 like flights a week to YYZ. The 700/900 flies there EVERYDAY. Just because its on your pairing 3 times does not mean there is enough frequency to make higher block lines for the 200. Remember the avg stage length of 1:19 is the lowest in the 200's history

We fly ATL-MSN once a day, whereas we fly ATL-AGS 6 times a day. ATL-FNT is done primarily by the DC9 so that must have been a irregular flight on another once a week flight for the 200. Oh yeah, that will get the trips block/credit higher....

Wake up!! They re-wrote the pairings for Feb (lowest month of year) and they were much better with more naps and several 4 days over 20 hours. It can be done. We all realize they may not be able to produce 25 hour 4 days, but these 16 and 17 hour 4 day trips are complete crap. It is even crazier that the company set the threshold to 90 hours. It would be damn near impossible to hit that with these crap trips. This has much more to do with the company trying to be cheap and screw us to save a buck than the stage length of the 200.

 

[Plainsman]

Please, Please, Please Expressjet take note! Do not let the company or alpa sell you on this. It is a monster.

 

[79%N1]

The soft pay aspects of our contract has been deemed too expensive now that the blocks have been reduced. The bean counters are looking at nothing but cost per block hour, and the only way to save is to slash costs. (i.e soft pay) Since the segment times on the 200 are never going to change, this will be the norm nown. Hence, if you are a 200 pilot in ATL you will be forced to work max days for min pay! They cannot fit enough legs into your day to make enought block. (No 6-8 hour credit days) Unless the company gives up their stance on lowering block costs to fight the short segments, or Delta puts the 200 on longer segments, this will not change. Since there are few to no vacancies on the 700, us 200 pilots are stuck with this new reality of life on the 200. I say, get rid of the damn things. Replace them with Beech1900's if all we are going to do is fly them to CSG, CHA and AGS all day!

 

[crj567]

Wake up!! They re-wrote the pairings for Feb (lowest month of year) and they were much better with more naps and several 4 days over 20 hours. It can be done. We all realize they may not be able to produce 25 hour 4 days, but these 16 and 17 hour 4 day trips are complete crap. It is even crazier that the company set the threshold to 90 hours. It would be damn near impossible to hit that with these crap trips. This has much more to do with the company trying to be cheap and screw us to save a buck than the stage length of the 200.

It is encouraging that people are figuring out the downside of this crappy agreement. We all need to understand how important it is to get this fixed in the JCBA.

-I really don't care whether 777 has figured this out yet. Some people will never be able to see the forest for the trees. Fortunately, more and more of our pilots are starting to see the truth.

-Let's not kid ourselves. This thing needs some serious fixing.