ASA PBS = No more CDO's

[crj567]

As a reminder to everyone:

The procedure for releasing the parking brake is specific. You release the parking brake when the aircraft is ready for pushback. That means all cargo bins closed, all doors closed, the flight attendents ready for taxi and acars numbers returned. I know in the past everyone's been anxious to get the main door closed and release the brake to get that D zero on record. However, everyone should follow the policy as written to avoid discipline by the company.

I have much better than that, sir... Much better.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Fly safe out there.

 

[Plainsman]

They are running the lines again. Maybe they will be better.

 

[IFLYASA]

They are running the lines again. Maybe they will be better.

How do you know? There no memo yet.

 

[Medeco]

ALPA webboard

 

[Medeco]

Like I predicted!

According to our reps, the re write is coming.

The question remains, to what extent will they.

Which is exactly why I predict an email saying they are once again going to re-work the pairings.

Its time call and email the Reps and management.

For the record, CRJblahblah, I have never made excuses for the company. I have only said we should be realistic.

This is not realistic, and the company is about to find out.

 

[777forever]

They can run the lines over and over and over again and every-time they will suck. Mathematically it cannot work. Avg stage length for the 200 is 1:19. ATR had longer avg stage lengths. There is only one solution if an ATL based 200 pilot wants to get out of this mess....as the Palm so eloquently put it...ABANDON SHIP!!!

DTW Anyone?

 

[79%N1]

How about this.....they say no 200's over 750 NM. How many 749 mile flights do we have? How about 700, or 650? Even 500? Next to none! So if the limit is 750, why do we only do 200-300? Wouldn't even some of those stage lengths help?

 

[GeekMaster]

Trek and all,

Each month, DELTA sends ASA a "script" for each airplane to fly. It is THEIR choice as to which cities and the frequency to those cities. ASA cannot "choose" whether to fly a 50 seater only to cities of say 600 miles. What Delta has told ASA and others is that all stage lengths in excess of 750 miles must be flown by an aircraft with dual class service. That eliminates the fitty from those longer haul markets. As for all markets below that amount, it becomes a match the aircraft with the demand game........and Delta controls that game.

The result? 1:19 minute average stage length for ASA's fitties. It's not ASA's choice.

 

[777forever]

How about this.....they say no 200's over 750 NM. How many 749 mile flights do we have? How about 700, or 650? Even 500? Next to none! So if the limit is 750, why do we only do 200-300? Wouldn't even some of those stage lengths help?

What Delta is doing is a sound business decision. Not only is the 50 seater unprofitable at current oil price levels, the 50 is also an abomination to fly on from a passenger standpoint. Passengers exposed to flying on the 50 should be limited to the shortest time possible. Sucks for all of us that are on the 200 here in ATL, but we have reached the end of days for the CRJ200

 

[V1rowt8]

So dal controls the trips.. Were lines better or worse prior to PBS? How did lines compare this time last year? PBS is why the lines are the way they are, not because of what DAL is giving ASA to fly.

 

[79%N1]

So how would 'pure lines' be better without the PBS? It would be the same pairings, just awarded differently.

 

[777forever]

So dal controls the trips.. Were lines better or worse prior to PBS? How did lines compare this time last year? PBS is why the lines are the way they are, not because of what DAL is giving ASA to fly.

This time last year the 200 did not have an avg stage length on 1:19. There were much longer flights with lots of frequency still given to the 50. ATL-YYZ, ATL-HPN, ATL-DSM etc. These days are longest flight I believe is ATL-MDT

If PBS was the problem then the 700 and IAD would be having the same issues

 

[Jack-O-Lantern]

So how would 'pure lines' be better without the PBS? It would be the same pairings, just awarded differently.

Exactly, and without all the parameter's and options we have now with PBS. Some of you need to get it! This has nothing to do with PBS!

 

[crj567]

All these parameters are of no value if the company is allowed to design impossible pairings. Saying that "this is not a PBS. problem" is irrelevant. What matters is how this situation can affect our QOL. The source of our troubles now is not the PBS system per se, but it is the fact that the company can build whatever horrible trips it wants, with no trip rigs or effective restrictions whatsoever.

People are starting to really realize what kind of corner we have painted ourselves into. Without decent pairings, we can all effectively be turned into defacto reserves. The company can literally design pairings with such low credit that not one of us would be able to complete a schedule without dropping to min days off. It can get that bad!

Signing any PBS agreement without effective controls on pairing construction was the worst mistake our pilot group has ever made. The more people understand about the power gave the company, and the extent to which it can (and will) be abused, the more angry they will get. This situation is definitely not the kind of scenario we were sold, but it is exactly what more than a few of us tried to warn everyone about.

 

[mxaviator]

This time last year the 200 did not have an avg stage length on 1:19. There were much longer flights with lots of frequency still given to the 50. ATL-YYZ, ATL-HPN, ATL-DSM etc. These days are longest flight I believe is ATL-MDT

If PBS was the problem then the 700 and IAD would be having the same issues

You have no have no idea what you are talking about. I have ATL-YYZ three times this month, ATL-MSN a few times. Did FNT not too long ago as well. Check you facts.

 

[777forever]

You have no have no idea what you are talking about. I have ATL-YYZ three times this month, ATL-MSN a few times. Did FNT not too long ago as well. Check you facts.

Congratulations. The 200 has 2 like flights a week to YYZ. The 700/900 flies there EVERYDAY. Just because its on your pairing 3 times does not mean there is enough frequency to make higher block lines for the 200. Remember the avg stage length of 1:19 is the lowest in the 200's history

We fly ATL-MSN once a day, whereas we fly ATL-AGS 6 times a day. ATL-FNT is done primarily by the DC9 so that must have been a irregular flight on another once a week flight for the 200. Oh yeah, that will get the trips block/credit higher....

 

[BillJBrake]

Scope Out CRJ200s.

It'd be a great start to a greater cause!

 

[Skywest Pylot]

All these parameters are of no value if the company is allowed to design impossible pairings. Saying that "this is not a PBS. problem" is irrelevant. What matters is how this situation can affect our QOL. The source of our troubles now is not the PBS system per se, but it is the fact that the company can build whatever horrible trips it wants, with no trip rigs or effective restrictions whatsoever.

People are starting to really realize what kind of corner we have painted ourselves into. Without decent pairings, we can all effectively be turned into defacto reserves. The company can literally design pairings with such low credit that not one of us would be able to complete a schedule without dropping to min days off. It can get that bad!

Signing any PBS agreement without effective controls on pairing construction was the worst mistake our pilot group has ever made. The more people understand about the power gave the company, and the extent to which it can (and will) be abused, the more angry they will get. This situation is definitely not the kind of scenario we were sold, but it is exactly what more than a few of us tried to warn everyone about.

crj567,

Unfortunately you are tethered to a pilot group whose majority just isn't that bright. We could scream the realities of PBS until we are blue in the face but you just can't fix stupid. The best thing you can do now is move on to a Major (like I did) where there is a better chance of collectively bargaining for something better. Not saying Major pilots are better/superior to Regional pilots but there seems to be a sense of "Professionals should be compensated/treated like professionals" at the Majors. The "How little can I get by on" mentality at the Regionals is depressing. Just some food for thought.

 

[OCP]

Latest on web board is that rewrite MAY be coming.