ASA PBS is.......

[Data]

Steve,

Do you have a different version of Flica than I do? Where is this published?

Dan,
No, I don't have a different version of FLICA, usually there aren't different versions of websites. The 'live' version of the January award is available in FLICA, it has been since the 24th or so. The practice bids for the PBS version of January are not available yet. They're a day late and counting.

 

[asayankee]

So you weren't actually referring to the PBS awards...Oh OK. Helpful.

 

[Freebrd]

duh and we laugh at others c'mon man!

 

[enuffalready]

January bid is already out.

ummm yeah.... i was referring to the actual LIVE bidding that starts Jan 10 for February awards... these practice bids are only useful in pointing out the many errors of the programming... unless you get 100% participation... the awards are useless...however, they do emphasize the fact that this thig is NOT ready to go live on Jan 10!

so we have all summer to get it right... then all fall... now.. here we are... less than 2 weeks from live bidding and even with all these errors they are still pushing for it... I am be mistaken but doesnt the MEC have to sign off before it can go live?

 

[SPDBRD747400]

This is a BIG joke, I hope ExpressJet votes no on this garbage. As I've said I voted NO and this system sucks. I don't trust it and people need to realize you are about to get a pay cut, thanks for nothing ALPA.

 

[777forever]

ummm yeah.... i was referring to the actual LIVE bidding that starts Jan 10 for February awards... these practice bids are only useful in pointing out the many errors of the programming... unless you get 100% participation... the awards are useless...however, they do emphasize the fact that this thig is NOT ready to go live on Jan 10!

so we have all summer to get it right... then all fall... now.. here we are... less than 2 weeks from live bidding and even with all these errors they are still pushing for it... I am be mistaken but doesnt the MEC have to sign off before it can go live?

you guys need to relax they were waiting on a software update and now they're waiting for the company to publish the results

 

[79%N1]

you guys need to relax they were waiting on a software update and now they're waiting for the company to publish the results

So why doesn't SOMEBODY TELL US THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For crying out loud! Communicate!

 

[777forever]

This is a BIG joke, I hope ExpressJet votes no on this garbage. As I've said I voted NO and this system sucks. I don't trust it and people need to realize you are about to get a pay cut, thanks for nothing ALPA.

wrong wrong and wrong. speak for yourself please because pbs is a pay increase for me and many others. As a no voter means you represent the very very small boekel minority that opposes pbs. It's almost as if all the no voters congregate on flight info because 80 percent of the pilot group voted yes! After all the money that this company has spent on pbs it will be implemented in the new company, and they will make sure of it. what does that mean for us? More leverage during negotiations!

 

[SPDBRD747400]

wrong wrong and wrong. speak for yourself please because pbs is a pay increase for me and many others. As a no voter means you represent the very very small boekel minority that opposes pbs. It's almost as if all the no voters congregate on flight info because 80 percent of the pilot group voted yes! After all the money that this company has spent on pbs it will be implemented in the new company, and they will make sure of it. what does that mean for us? More leverage during negotiations!

I'm beginning to think the votes were cast in favor of this PBS were a "yes" even if you didn't vote. I'm so glad the ALPA guys got a 6hr min pay a day that's why I think they pushed this so much (just my opinion). What % of the 80% actually voted? What was the total amount of voters out of all of our pilots (participation)? I will have to deal with this PBS but we'll see if the XJ guys kill this or not. I hope they look at it very carefully.

 

[79%N1]

Without PBS........30-35% of pilots on reserve!
With PBS...........10% or less on reserve!!!!!

That alone is worth it to me!

 

[Abernathy]

wrong wrong and wrong. speak for yourself please because pbs is a pay increase for me and many others. As a no voter means you represent the very very small boekel minority that opposes pbs. It's almost as if all the no voters congregate on flight info because 80 percent of the pilot group voted yes! After all the money that this company has spent on pbs it will be implemented in the new company, and they will make sure of it. what does that mean for us? More leverage during negotiations!

Vocal minority?

 

[Plainsman]

Without pbs i upgrade.
With pbs i dont. Dont give me bs about we will get growth with it.
Same guys whining now were wining about not upgrading in 3 years.
PBS maybe ok but alpa is unrolling this in the wrong way.

 

[Plainsman]

Meeeeee!

 

[Abernathy]

Without PBS........30-35% of pilots on reserve!
With PBS...........10% or less on reserve!!!!!

That alone is worth it to me!

That's a function of a deliberate and artificially created situation. You can rewrite it as:

Without proper staffing, 30-35% of the pilots on reserve. With proper staffing, 10% or less on reserve.

The company created this situation to convince guys like you to finally say "yes PBS is finally here!" However, what we haven't seen yet is if now the company will still staff thin with PBS, not really alleviating the situation.

 

[79%N1]

That's a function of a deliberate and artificially created situation. You can rewrite it as:

Without proper staffing, 30-35% of the pilots on reserve. With proper staffing, 10% or less on reserve.

The company created this situation to convince guys like you to finally say "yes PBS is finally here!" However, what we haven't seen yet is if now the company will still staff thin with PBS, not really alleviating the situation.

I see what you are saying, but if they don't properly staff for PBS, i.e many more reserves than necessary, then there will just be a ton of open time left over (trips not assigned into lines), which kind of defeats the purpose of PBS.

 

[crj567]

I see what you are saying, but if they don't properly staff for PBS, i.e many more reserves than necessary, then there will just be a ton of open time left over (trips not assigned into lines), which kind of defeats the purpose of PBS.

Nope-

If they don't properly staff, they will change the TLV and increase the amount if hours we each will get assigned. We gave them a HUGE window to use at their discretion, and they will use it to ensure that we all have 11 days off (on a good month.)

-When you lug low-value long trips into this system, you will lose days off like crazy. Some people just have to learn the hard way.

 

[Data]

If this continues to work like it did for my bid, deep in the reserve list and getting a 22 days off vacation month, holding a line 3 times a year will not suck. Will be interesting to see how the mid-level folks do and what the participation was for this round.

 

[777forever]

With line bidding I got Long Call Reserve in January. With PBS I got a line with 19 days off. I'm ecstatic for PBS. Turn the sucker on!

 

[Medeco]

I guess I did something wrong on this round, because I'm pretty sure I'm senior to you two and I got RES with vacation. CRJ200

If you look at the entire bid award it seems most of the guys around me got RES too, then some super junior guys got a couple of trips with a ton of days off.

If I'm reading it correctly.

 

[goahead]

My first serious post I think:

Why did some guys get vac and two four days and others get vac and three four days?? What options did one select and the other not? I looked at some mid level guys who got three four days but then some really junior guys got just two four days with a block under 75hrs thought that had to be the min according to the coversheet. Thanks just wondering so I don't screw it up when I have vac.