ASA negotiations

[ASADFW7]

My point is collectively, those who speak the loudest are not necessarily the majority. The Voice of the MEC is taken from the polls and surveys, not just the pilot lounge or web boards.

 

[atrdriver]

My point is collectively, those who speak the loudest are not necessarily the majority. The Voice of the MEC is taken from the polls and surveys, not just the pilot lounge or web boards.

Which is why they have been taking the polls with the Wilson Center on a regular basis. And why they have been hanging out in the crew lounges. If you don't think that they are doing the correct things then you need to go to a meeting and let them know. But personally I think that for the most part they are doing the will of the majority. They have my support.

 

["GO AROUND"]

My point is collectively, those who speak the loudest are not necessarily the majority. The Voice of the MEC is taken from the polls and surveys, not just the pilot lounge or web boards.

If you talked to the MEC or CNC, most if not all do not look at web boards like this. The crew room board is another story.

 

[flylowman]

Do all of you know that a strike vote doesn't mean we will strike. What is does show is unity. That is what we need to show management. Support the union negotiators. They are working for us. For the guys who don't vote yes, you are showing the "man" that you will that his crap. Stand up you owe it to yourself. We are Professionals.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Avoiceofreason

Just exactly which airline do you work for?

I've come across two threads, each of which you claim to be a pilot of a particular company, ASA and XJ.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=70296

It is this kind of irresponsible statement that hurts your cause Tomct. Some of us pilots do have a lot to lose. Losing a $100,000 per year job that works 12-15 days per month isn't "NOTHING". If that is your definition of "NOTHING", then you aren't living on the same planet. There are problems here, but it could be a lot worse and it is a lot worse at other carriers. If you want support from those of us who have a lot to lose, you had better stop throwing our job around like it doesn't matter.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=866022#post866022

You mainline guys are really clueless aren't you? Maybe you guys should have thought about this issue 10 years ago. Now it's too late. I want my airline to grow so that I have more opportunities. I don't want some hope that I can fly the 70 seater at mainline for essentially the same rates and workrules, only without my seniority and longevity. I would rather they come here so I can keep my seniority and longevity.

 

[SiuDude]

Oh snap!

 

[DrunkIrishman]

ASADFW-

Your concern is not founded on fact. "My MEC speaks for me, and I tell them what to say," is the completed phrase. Nobody is speaking for you without your input through Wilson Polling like ATR stated. Relax and support your negotiators. They have been in the crew lounge a lot lately ( I know because of all my 3+ hour breaks) so go and tell them your concerns.

 

[AVoiceOfReason]

Just exactly which airline do you work for?

I've come across two threads, each of which you claim to be a pilot of a particular company, ASA and XJ.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=70296


http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=866022#post866022

Sorry to burst your conspiracy theory Stifler, but I work for ASA. I just don't understand regional pilots who want the 70 seaters to go to the mainline and then want to "flow up" to those airplanes at less pay. The mainline pilots are agreeing to fly them for LESS than we are and we would have to give up our seniority and longevity to fly them at the mainline. Sorry, but it makes no sense to me. The term "here" refers to the "regionals". Nice try.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Who the hell around here said they wanted 70-seaters to go to mainline so we could "flow up" to them?

 

[AVoiceOfReason]

Who the hell around here said they wanted 70-seaters to go to mainline so we could "flow up" to them?

I have heard several here say that they want the 70 seaters to go to mainline, just like some of the Mesaba and Pinnacle guys have said. That is what that whole Mesaba/Pinnacle/NWA thread was about that you supposedly "caught" me being "management". I am really growing tired of the "you must be management if you disagree with ALPA" routine.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

This is supposedly a thread about ASA Negotiations, and I have never heard an ASA pilot on here or the ALPA boards ever say they want to give the 70-seaters to mainline to fly. Maybe I missed a thread around here recently?

If you say you are an ASA pilot than I will take your word for it. Your post on the NWA thread made me wonder. As far as disagreeing with ALPA, I have no problem with that stance. Nothing wrong with questioning authority.

Hope you enjoyed your vacation.

 

[AVoiceOfReason]

This is supposedly a thread about ASA Negotiations, and I have never heard an ASA pilot on here or the ALPA boards ever say they want to give the 70-seaters to mainline to fly. Maybe I missed a thread around here recently?

If you say you are an ASA pilot than I will take your word for it. Your post on the NWA thread made me wonder. As far as disagreeing with ALPA, I have no problem with that stance. Nothing wrong with questioning authority.

Hope you enjoyed your vacation.

Yes I did - it was hard to return. I should have been more clear, but I am tired of regional guys saying the 70 seater should go to mainline. The arguement goes something like, "it will be a better job if it goes to mainline, so I would rather fly it at mainline". The problem with that thinking is that the mainline guys are undercutting us to fly the 70 seater, and we would have to start all over at the bottom to fly them as FOs and without our longevity. Sorry, but with my longevity that isn't an option. I would just rather keep those jobs here at the regional level - ASA to be more specific. Sorry if I confused you.