ASA Negotiations Play-by-Play

[wms]

nevermind

 

[atlcrashpad]

There should be an update later this afternoon.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Go PUCK yourself ASA Management!!!

SOS different month

 

[atlcrashpad]

Latest update: Mis Management failed to provide the written proposal to the Union. Typical MGT BS, "Just wait, we'll put it in writting tomorrow". Well, tomorrow never comes.

 

[atrdriver]

Yeah, as of 3pm managements negotiators had not yet appeared in the room. But remember, they REALLY want to get this done.

 

[Plug]

As of right now the CNC is currently waiting for managements proposal. Sadly it'll look more like the opener they should've presented 3 1/2 years ago. But it's movement nonetheless. It looks like they will go late in the night.

Ohplease,

Your comments about our negotiators, and the company's for that matter shows your ignorance. If you think they are hanging out at the pool sipping umbrella drinks, well I think I saw black helicopters circling your house today. There is a big conspiracy, blah, blah......

Thank you for your screen name because it reminds me what to say to myself after reading your posts.

 

[Tomct]

:uzi:Once again, mgmnt is showing how LITTLE respect they have for us. I am sick and tired of it!! Give me the STRIKE VOTE BABY! It is TIME to send a message to SGU!! AAAAHHHH hello, Jerry, YOU are about to have 160 airplanes PARKED unless you get off your ASS and SAVE these negotiations!!
Stike Vote Now!

 

[Halo_RJdriver]

:uzi:Once again, mgmnt is showing how LITTLE respect they have for us. I am sick and tired of it!! Give me the STRIKE VOTE BABY! It is TIME to send a message to SGU!! AAAAHHHH hello, Jerry, YOU are about to have 160 airplanes PARKED unless you get off your ASS and SAVE these negotiations!!
Stike Vote Now!

GIVE EM HELL BOYZ!!!

my guess though is they offer you 1.2% for the 50 seater and maybe profit sharing. Other than that SGU is tighter than a nun.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Mis Management's proposal appears to be Pay cuts. Nothing actually said, but being competitive with other DCI carriers looks like cuts to me.

 

[~~~^~~~]

So why are we in any hurry to get this contract done? The Company can't seem to get its' negotiating position together, good. Lets just get a side letter of agreement addressing scheduling and go on down the road.

 

[atlcrashpad]

If it is Pay Cuts, then I'm not in any hurry. Pay cuts seem to be the answer to airline management. I guess two engine taxi, continued APU operations, and not charging $1 for a cup of soda will keep us in the Black. Good Ole pay cuts take the airline to profits galore. This way Mis Management can continue with their bonus program for performance. BL and his Vee Pee's get fat paychecks while pilots and F/A's get cut. Oh, don't forget your reduction in pass benefits......

 

[PBRstreetgang]

If it "ain't worth it", why don't you leave? You are free to make that decision for yourself, but you had better not make that decision for me. The "cost box" as you call it, while unpleasant, is a reality. Have you seen what happened to Coex today? They got out of the "cost box". So did CMR.

"Cost Box", you all will be out of the cost box at one time of another until mgmt. gets the lowest costs vs turnover. COEX is just the latest victim, someone will be the next victim in a month or so. For all of you that see a regional as a long term solution, be advised, your company does not want you to stay beyond a few years. My company, SKYW a few years ago published the infamous "widget" article, which stated that "the costs and productivity of a 5 year CPT vs a 15 year CPT were inclined towards the 5year CPT. Widgets do not care how much the flight crew gets paid. We had a CPT ask the company for a senority calculator so pilots could estimate their senority at their careers end with the company, I am sure the company shat upon themselves at that prospect.
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

It occurs to me that what we may be witnessing is not simple mismanagement, but an Atkin directed attempt to bust the union.

Hey,
Jerry and the kids think unions are the anti-christ, Harrison and Ford advise them on everything from toilet paper to crushing organizing attempts. Google Harrison and Ford for more details.
PBR

 

[COOPERVANE]

""Cost Box", you all will be out of the cost box at one time of another until mgmt. gets the lowest costs vs turnover"

Very well said. The box will only get smaller and smaller until the break even point for hiring and training replacement pilots for attrition is greater than the cost of a fair wage.

JUST SAY NO!

STAY OUT THA BOXES!

 

[Tomct]

:angryfireWell then we will see how their "Cost Box" works when 160 plus airplanes sit idle! They can all kiss my @ss! I have had it with this "...we are making No money crap...." They are making a Killing right now! We have them by the balls and it is time to SQUEEZE EM!!
Stike Vote Now!!

 

[goodto50meters]

Brain La Liar,

Thank you for inserting the final nail in your 'Box'.

Shove this proposal up your a$$.

Oh and happy new year finding some other place to screw.

Your loving line pilot,

GT50M

 

[wms]

The cost box is smoke and mirrors. The fact is SKW/ASA are very profitable, and what they are really trying to do is reduce their fees to DAL without reducing their profit margins. Whether it's greed or fear of losing capital they might need in harder times, they're picking the pockets of the employees to keep building the company coffers. They wouldn't lose money by meeting DAL's demands, it would reduce profits.

The real change they should start with is a good business plan. Eliminate redundancy in the infrastructure; have one GO, one OCC, one maintenance structure, one executive force, etc. Eliminate real waste such as round-trip dead-heading (yes, they schedule that), dead-heading to ferry airplanes that aren't there, building lines of flying for airplanes that don't exist and then having to cancel a whole day's line of flying.

Instead the operational changes have consisted of allowing the stations to lie about the departure times, telling us to reduce APU usage without telling the people who are supposed to bring us the GPUs, so we have to burn more fuel running the engines while we wait for a GPU or for the APU to fire up. And asking me to participate in a fuel savings initiative while docking my pay for more and more things each month. I've been doing single engine taxis ever since I upgraded years ago, and have always done the common sense thing. But I've gone cost neutral.

If consessions are needed, then they should be spread around. Include the non-departure-producing, standing-around-the coffe pot, non-phone-answering slackers at the GO. Cut their pay. Cut their benefits. Make them work 6 days for 5 days pay. We shouldn't bear the burden alone while this place is run into the ground by those who will then leave with their golden parachutes.

Develop a real business plan or find someone who can. Do what real leaders do and encourage employees. Treat us right and pay us well, and we'll be happy to make you look good and return ASA to the good place it once was.

 

[goodto50meters]

ASA management is not capable of accomplshing anything that resembles a descent airline.

When this thing tanks, they will all be gone and Jerry's kids will merge it.

This is LaLiar and his minions last hurrah before the music stops.

 

[atlcrashpad]

vote To Strike

 

[wms]

I think the company is trying to set us up to take SKW pay and work rules. It'll be SKW with possible 70 seat pay and their work rules. For me it has to include 100% retro pay. I hope we all see the danger of giving in. The cave on 70 seat rates at SKW have become terminal for all of us.

I have to say I'm disappointed with SKW,inc mgmt. We were led to believe they are a cut above, but they've shown themselves to have no more integrity than what we already had.