ASA merger Rumor?

[zawillif]

Not quite here are the actual numbers..

2009 6
2010 13
2011 15
2012 24
2013 139
2014 238
2015 278
2016 330
2017 386
2018 469
2019 558
2020 645
2021 830
2022 870
2023 824
2024 811
2025 727
2026 626
2027 522
2028 491
2029 485
2030 509
2031 449
2032 347
2033 271
2034 182
2035 122
2036 103
2037 19

I guess I was mistaken. . I thought it was a lot more than that.

 

[johnsonrod]

seems this was only reasonable response...

I had heard they were looking at a potential merger/purchase of compass as well as a rebranding. I would welcome a new type on property as who knows where the UA/CO merger will take the scope restrictions. Could be a potential market there for 175/195 in the future.

we definitely need to grow to keep our costs low in comparison..

You want Compass to get E195s? What are you, nuts? I want out of the regionals to a better life. You sound like you are a loser with no college degree who knows he can't get better. I can't wait to leave guys like you in the dust! Adios LLLLLLOOOOOOSER!

 

[johnsonrod]

Not quite here are the actual numbers..

2009 6
2010 13
2011 15
2012 24
2013 139
2014 238
2015 278
2016 330
2017 386
2018 469
2019 558
2020 645
2021 830
2022 870
2023 824
2024 811
2025 727
2026 626
2027 522
2028 491
2029 485
2030 509
2031 449
2032 347
2033 271
2034 182
2035 122
2036 103
2037 19

You can triple those numbers if they fly with General Lee! (just jokin Lee)

 

[ohplease!]

Not quite here are the actual numbers..

2009 6
2010 13
2011 15
2012 24
2013 139
2014 238
2015 278
2016 330
2017 386
2018 469
2019 558
2020 645
2021 830
2022 870
2023 824
2024 811
2025 727
2026 626
2027 522
2028 491
2029 485
2030 509
2031 449
2032 347
2033 271
2034 182
2035 122
2036 103
2037 19

most of those retirements will be offset by plane reductions (-9's and 757's) up to about your 2016 or 2017 numbers....maybe deeper if the DEM's blow up another oil rig in the gulf...either way, it'll suck...

 

[johnsonrod]

most of those retirements will be offset by plane reductions (-9's and 757's) up to about your 2016 or 2017 numbers....maybe deeper if the DEM's blow up another oil rig in the gulf...either way, it'll suck...

I read on another website that the DC9s will be replaced by MD90s initially, and that 757s and 767s are coming out of the desert. Do you think Delta will shrink in the future and not replace aging jets? Certainly not by replacing them with RJs. Why would Delta just shrink like you forcast and not get comparable jets? ASA is the one shrinking and sending planes to Vietnam. That isn't a good sign. I just want to move on.

 

[ohplease!]

I read on another website that the DC9s will be replaced by MD90s initially, and that 757s and 767s are coming out of the desert. Do you think Delta will shrink in the future and not replace aging jets? Certainly not by replacing them with RJs. Why would Delta just shrink like you forcast and not get comparable jets? ASA is the one shrinking and sending planes to Vietnam. That isn't a good sign. I just want to move on.

they aren't making new MD90's and the ones out there are old already (bandaide)... 75's are old and some of the 76's are ollllld. never said they'd be replaced with RJ's. Just gone (IMHO)....along with 50 seat RJ's, BTW.....

and for the record, ASA is neither shrinking nor sending jets to Vietnam.

Not going to be a good time in this industry for the next several years (if you're ambition is to go to a major).

 

[at7driver]

ASA isn't sending anything except warm bodies over there to get em in up and running..

better learn to enjoy where you are and just enjoy the ride... leaving losers in the dust sounds like that karma thing.. bites you in the arse every time..

 

[RiddleEagle18]

Not quite here are the actual numbers..

2009 6
2010 13
2011 15
2012 24
2013 139
2014 238
2015 278
2016 330
2017 386
2018 469
2019 558
2020 645
2021 830
2022 870
2023 824
2024 811
2025 727
2026 626
2027 522
2028 491
2029 485
2030 509
2031 449
2032 347
2033 271
2034 182
2035 122
2036 103
2037 19

these are pre merger numbers only.. that doesnt even include the NW guys

as a compass guy I dont want to see this happen. The flow would remain but I would lose all of the benfits.

Right now if delta hires I would move up 25% of my list in about 5 months. It would take about 3.5 year of constant delta hiring for me to flow.

In a merger with ASA it would take years apon years of constant hiring for me to flow on a relative seniority merger.

IF ASA actually bought compass Im pretty sure the compass guys would push pretty hard for all current compass guys to flow before any ASA guys.

 

[ASACAPT]

Yeah, like that would happen...... Being bought sucks

 

[RiddleEagle18]

Yeah, like that would happen...... Being bought sucks

Being bought doesnt mean anything in this case. Its not like ASA would be buying us because we are bankrupt. It would be a merger.

Career expectation is in the ALPA merger policy and you never expected to flow.

Beside the issue with flow I would have no problem with merging with ASA

 

[RiddleEagle18]

here is the new combine retirement list as of may 1st. posted on delta net

2010 -3
11 - 8
12 - 19
13 - 102
14 - 162
15 - 224
16 - 301
17 - 360
18 - 456
19 - 538
20 - 624
21 - 807
22 - 860
23 - 812
24 - 810
25 - 714
26 - 618

Continued decrease from there

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Those numbers are for 65.

That CPS flow is going to start bringing pilots in very shortly. They will be flowing for a good bit before one off the street hire gets a class. (That is the plan to date, so it can change) That said, you will see Mesaba and CPS flows this year with off the street after that.

65 MD-90's It will be an overall net gain. 9's and older 88's will be parked as they come up for heavy checks.

Look for another order in 18-36 months. We may also be looking at new to us jets.

I would say that getting the CPS flow deal for you would be good since it will be only one way for the foreseeable future. I am not a fan of flows, but these pilots come to DAL off probation, no interview other than the NWA now DAL interview they will do to get hired at CPS.

Time will tell, but DAL seems to be intent on using the flow agreements to staff the near term staffing needs.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Aslo FWIW, in 10 years I move up 45% and in the five years after that I move in to the top 30% then two years after that top 13%.

It is flat on the front side, darn near vertical in the middle and I spend the last 10 years in the top 5%.

If I was in flight school right now, I would be hitting this perfectly. Three more years of school, two years at a regional, two year in the right seat of a major, and then a captain for about 38 years at a major. There will be ppl like this with the retirement numbers we have.

 

[1080P]

Well back to the original title ASA will become just AS, Atlantic Southeast. Biggest waste of money I've ever heard of. If we're gonna change it make it totally different. I can see our mechanic's like James out there at night with a bottle of paint thinner and a rag...........

 

[samuraiguytn]

Thats funny, cause you really can't drop Airlines from the name.

 

[SLUF4]

yeah; that's the plan...sounds like a waste to me, but i guess they gotta spend that money on something since they can't let the pilots get a piece of it

 

[enuffalready]

yeah; that's the plan...sounds like a waste to me, but i guess they gotta spend that money on something since they can't let the pilots get a piece of it

well, if that is the case and we are just going to spend money on 'rebranding' the place... that would be disappointing and a waste of money. Our only customers are Delta management and United management and the only way the traveling public knows we arent UNited or Delta is a tiny 5" x 5" sticker on the front nose of the plane that you cant see from the jetway.

of all the things, why would we spend $$ on rebranding a basically virtual airline.... just doesnt pass the sniff test...

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Well maybe OO feels that if the rebrand the airline they can apply and receive a new ATA airline code from ICAO. DAL owns EV, so this may be their way around the fact that they do not have their own code.

Just a thought. No more no less.

 

[SLUF4]

perhaps something bigger is in the works that we don't have any idea about.

 

[SPDBRD747400]

perhaps something bigger is in the works that we don't have any idea about.

Who know's what's your thoughts?