ASA MEC draws a line in the sand

[mckpickle]

Exactly.. That is why I said at the end to just keep them seperate.... Company isn't going to keep line bidding... Good luck Xjt.

And they certainly are not going to keep flightline untouched. It wasn't appealing to us before....I can't imagine how we'd like it after it gets "fixed". I highly doubt you will either.

 

[JoeMerchant]

And they certainly are not going to keep flightline untouched. It wasn't appealing to us before....I can't imagine how we'd like it after it gets "fixed". I highly doubt you will either.

I wonder why management likes SmartPref more than our Flightline PBS....?

 

[mckpickle]

I wonder why management likes SmartPref more than our Flightline PBS....?

Oh, I don't know....maybe because it'll actually solve a fukcing scheduling solution?

But wait, did you just admit that management likes smartpref? You know they system that you said would never work and that company would never accept because you already have a system....remember that John?


Thats ok though John, when you can't argue the facts just throw random shiit against the wall and see what sticks.

disclaimer...it's not anything against flightline however with the programmed work rules the system is constrained from doing it's job thus requires manual manipulation in order to cover the schedule. Don't wanna pis$ off the sabre folks.

 

[duc driver]

what is beyond understanding is why you wouldn't want to just tweak a PBS system we already have AND ARE HAPPY WITH...a system with years of experience of every possible loophole management has found....... versus one that has not been tested with our work rules, contract and management team.

i couldnt give a crap if 2 or 10 guys are needed to run it. frankly, I have actually benefited greatly from our guys... if i have a question about vacation bidding, bidding around training events, etc all i had to do was call them or heaven forbid, go to the office and have them walk me through it....

frankly we are tired of it. keep your line bidding... keep your pbs system... keep groups separate.....dont pollute us with your crap

With a JCBA I would hope that there would be some new and improved work rules, vacation changes, training etc. My guess is that with all the changes the years of hard work will go out the window and you would be back to square one. In essence you would be getting a new flightline system. Untested and unknown. Sound familiar?

 

[wms]

Oh, I don't know....maybe because it'll actually solve a fukcing scheduling solution?

But wait, did you just admit that management likes smartpref? You know they system that you said would never work and that company would never accept because you already have a system....remember that John?


Thats ok though John, when you can't argue the facts just throw random shiit against the wall and see what sticks.

disclaimer...it's not anything against flightline however with the programmed work rules the system is constrained from doing it's job thus requires manual manipulation in order to cover the schedule. Don't wanna pis$ off the sabre folks.

The company likes smartpref because they never like what's good for the pilots.

The lesson you shouldve learned by now is if its what the company wants, it's bad for us. We voted for prefbid outside of a cba knowing if we didn't like it we could vote it out of the next contract. The fact we want to keep it shows its a good system. At the least we would go for your line bidding, but smartpref is being used by the company to deceive the lxjt mec into thinking they have some say...yes they work that way.

And don't pull the lasa kool aid talk. We have never taken a carrot or voted for concessions, even when it meant losing airplanes or furloughs.

Prefbid is the best PBS system period, even dal and swa have shown interest in our system.

The only good thing there would be about getting smartpref is when you see your schedule we will be able to say " we told you so".

 

[wms]

PS. Why don't the mecs road show both systems in ALL domiciles, then let the pilots make a true comparison to choose from? The lasa mec showed interest in this, lxjt mec did not. Why?


I have long sits at ORD 7 & 21 am. I'll be on prefbid if any are interested.

 

[Nevets]

The company likes smartpref because they never like what's good for the pilots.

The lesson you shouldve learned by now is if its what the company wants, it's bad for us. We voted for prefbid outside of a cba knowing if we didn't like it we could vote it out of the next contract. The fact we want to keep it shows its a good system. At the least we would go for your line bidding, but smartpref is being used by the company to deceive the lxjt mec into thinking they have some say...yes they work that way.

And don't pull the lasa kool aid talk. We have never taken a carrot or voted for concessions, even when it meant losing airplanes or furloughs.

Prefbid is the best PBS system period, even dal and swa have shown interest in our system.

The only good thing there would be about getting smartpref is when you see your schedule we will be able to say " we told you so".

Just as the ASA MEC chose flight line, the XJT MEC has done the same with smartpref. Who is to say that smartpref won't be liked by the pilots as much or more as flight line is by the ASA pilots?

 

[Oakum_Boy]

I'll admit, I didn't care for PBS when it came onto the property. Now, line bidding Nd some antiquated swap/drop window sounds like garbage, as does a globalization type of PBS. I hear nothing but negatives from those who use that type of system. Everyone from junior to senior here have only good things to say about our PBS.

The xjet MEC need to realize we have a great system that works. It's a known quantity. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. This is something I support the ASA MEC on. And I don't often think they have represented us that well in the past.

 

[Nevets]

PS. Why don't the mecs road show both systems in ALL domiciles, then let the pilots make a true comparison to choose from? The lasa mec showed interest in this, lxjt mec did not. Why?


I have long sits at ORD 7 & 21 am. I'll be on prefbid if any are interested.

This is not true. The ASA MEC told management that its either flight line or holding up the merge indefinitely. They have turned down dual tracks, super committees, arbitration, etc. They are not willing to compromise. This is exactly why this thread started. And it's exactly why the company is moving forward without you guys and are negotiating with the one party who is willing to negotiate and leaving the other party to wallow. The company is not negotiating rates for with XJT just for the fun of it. I'm positive they rather just have a jcba but since the ASA MEC has shut that door, they are moving on without you guys.

I'll admit, I didn't care for PBS when it came onto the property. Now, line bidding Nd some antiquated swap/drop window sounds like garbage, as does a globalization type of PBS. I hear nothing but negatives from those who use that type of system. Everyone from junior to senior here have only good things to say about our PBS.

The xjet MEC need to realize we have a great system that works. It's a known quantity. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. This is something I support the ASA MEC on. And I don't often think they have represented us that well in the past.

Problem is that management doesn't want flight line as it exists now. Who is to say you will like what they want to change? As for your first paragraph, many concerns can be addressed and alleviated with easy work rules that work for management and us. It's being done somewhat with smartpref right now. Globalization is not as bad as what you have now in socialization so it shouldn't be a huge issue other than an emotional, irrational fear of change.

 

[jetRAT]

Bottom Line= stand still. Pilots are too arrogant and egotastic to give in to any other side, whether it's mgt, or the other pilot group. At this point in the game, it is all about pride, and a change in opinion might be perceived as weakness. Children. Thank you unions for the demise of the American civilization.

 

[Nevets]

Bottom Line= stand still. Pilots are too arrogant and egotastic to give in to any other side, whether it's mgt, or the other pilot group. At this point in the game, it is all about pride, and a change in opinion might be perceived as weakness. Children. Thank you unions for the demise of the American civilization.

Capitalism will find a way and it looks like this management has found a way to move forward without the one party who is not willing to negotiate in good faith, or just negotiate, period.

 

[mckpickle]

The company likes smartpref because they never like what's good for the pilots.

The lesson you shouldve learned by now is if its what the company wants, it's bad for us. We voted for prefbid outside of a cba knowing if we didn't like it we could vote it out of the next contract. The fact we want to keep it shows its a good system. At the least we would go for your line bidding, but smartpref is being used by the company to deceive the lxjt mec into thinking they have some say...yes they work that way.

And don't pull the lasa kool aid talk. We have never taken a carrot or voted for concessions, even when it meant losing airplanes or furloughs.

Prefbid is the best PBS system period, even dal and swa have shown interest in our system.

The only good thing there would be about getting smartpref is when you see your schedule we will be able to say " we told you so".

I don't even know where to begin on this. The company didn't even know this product existed. Delta has not shown and interest in your system. It's the same freaking system.....it's a pairing sorter. Nothing more. Which is fine when you have high productivity pairings and impliment the proper restrictions such as narrow credit windows.
Just because the company wants something doesn't mean its bad if the pilots design it. So enjoy whats left of flightline. Thats going to be funny to watch.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Calm down Francis. We have a LONG way to go still. This is one of 100 "maneuvers" MGMT will pull to affect change.

The sky will be falling next week

BTW McPickle. Why is this "funny" to you? I never met an ASA pilot that wished any ill will upon XJET pilots. Just the 6 on this message board. Are you one of the 6 XJET pilots in the same category? I guess so.

 

[mckpickle]

I'll admit, I didn't care for PBS when it came onto the property. Now, line bidding Nd some antiquated swap/drop window sounds like garbage, as does a globalization type of PBS. I hear nothing but negatives from those who use that type of system. Everyone from junior to senior here have only good things to say about our PBS.

The xjet MEC need to realize we have a great system that works. It's a known quantity. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. This is something I support the ASA MEC on. And I don't often think they have represented us that well in the past.

Deal! Keep flightline. We've never once...NOT ONCE tried taking it from you. So why is your MEC trying to force a system on us that is going to be dramatically changed from what it is now? Keep your system. Dual systems have been offered by us and the company. So why is your side trying to force our side to take it? There is a viable alternative here and your side refuses to engage because they are affraid of losing control of the union after the merger.

PS. Why don't the mecs road show both systems in ALL domiciles, then let the pilots make a true comparison to choose from? The lasa mec showed interest in this, lxjt mec did not. Why?


I have long sits at ORD 7 & 21 am. I'll be on prefbid if any are interested.

DONE! Where do we sign up...because we've been asking for that for over a year and your side wouldn't allow it.

I really hope you folks can start to see the truth here because we're all being hurt by this failed merger.

 

[mckpickle]

Calm down Francis. We have a LONG way to go still. This is one of 100 "maneuvers" MGMT will pull to affect change.

The sky will be falling next week

BTW McPickle. Why is this "funny" to you? I never met an ASA pilot that wished any ill will upon XJET pilots. Just the 6 on this message board. Are you one of the 6 XJET pilots in the same category? I guess so.

If you had suffered the personal attacks that I have over the last 2 years you'd be a bit jaded too. I find it ammusing that so many people are experts when they really know very little of the true story. I wish no ill will however I'm fed up with the lies and personal attacks.