ASA may get CR9's?

[blesko]

Twin,
Did you see a Pinnacle 900 crash land today? Bounced a couple of times?

you get what you pay for

 

[Twinpilot]

you get what you pay for

I've got a friend that frequently jumpseats on Pinnacle from his home in Tennesee. He has stated that he is scared every time, and won't ride in back due to it. Scary that there's 76 lives sitting behind them...

 

[ASA_Aviator]

I have never seen a company so mis-managed!

You must not have worked at many companies... ASA is pretty well managed. Mistakes are made in any company. As long as they are fixed, what's the problem? When you fly, do you fly perfectly on every leg? I thought so...

 

[sweptback]

You must not have worked at many companies... ASA is pretty well managed. Mistakes are made in any company. As long as they are fixed, what's the problem? When you fly, do you fly perfectly on every leg? I thought so...

History disagrees with your assertion. From 1999-2007 or so, ASA was under terrible management, from top to bottom (you weren't here for most of that). ASA is under better management now, however our airline is shrinking; it is not all roses here.

Flying perfectly is a bad analogy as well. Flying has a successful outcome every time you do it. As long as you land safely and don't injure anybody or bend any metal, I say that's a good day at the office. The world of business isn't as cut and dry.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

History disagrees with your assertion. From 1999-2007 or so, ASA was under terrible management, from top to bottom (you weren't here for most of that). ASA is under better management now, however our airline is shrinking; it is not all roses here.

Flying perfectly is a bad analogy as well. Flying has a successful outcome every time you do it. As long as you land safely and don't injure anybody or bend any metal, I say that's a good day at the office. The world of business isn't as cut and dry.

I was talking about now. I agree it was poorly managed in the past. That is why we have a union. (Airlines normally get the union it deserves.)

My point is that it is under pretty good management now, and we could be doing FAR worse. Our management could actively work against us. They don't do that. Sure, they make mistakes, but they aren't out to screw us on the daily basis, despite what the ALPA hounds say.

I disagree with you about the flying not being a good comparison. The company generally runs along just fine even with marginal management. Just as a flight makes it to completion with poor flying most of the time. I have seen some really bad flying out there make it from A to B.

My point is, when you start doing your job perfectly, that is when you can start throwing stones at people that make mistakes in their jobs. Quit being so judgmental. It is easy to stand back and throw stones when you don't know what is involved in that person's job. Perhaps some instructors should start sitting on your jumpseat and begin throwing some stones your way.

 

[JoeMerchant]

History disagrees with your assertion. From 1999-2007 or so, ASA was under terrible management, from top to bottom (you weren't here for most of that). ASA is under better management now, however our airline is shrinking; it is not all roses here.

How about from 1979-1999? Actually ASA made a lot of money....Employee relations are much better now...Then again they were better in 1999 then they were in 1994....

We are shrinking....Some of you chest thumpers didn't really care when our 700s and 900s were transferred....You said things like "we don't care if they send them to Skywest"....Now all of a sudden some of you care....

Flying perfectly is a bad analogy as well. Flying has a successful outcome every time you do it. As long as you land safely and don't injure anybody or bend any metal, I say that's a good day at the office. The world of business isn't as cut and dry.

ASA makes money....In fact it used to make more during the "dark ages"....Using your logic of "landing safely and not injuring anybody"....ASA had great management.....Business is in business to make money...That they have done......

 

[JumpersAway]

ASA isn't shrinking due to poor leadership, it's shrinking because the business model that once supported it's growth has changed. I saw this coming two years ago, which was what lead me to write, repeatedly, to my elected MEC. I can't blame ALPA, nor can I blame ASA for the way things are shaking down.

I do see, however, a fight to the death at the regional level. Right now, I'm feeling like we've got the winning team, lead by winning management, so hopefully we've got our seat at the DCI table well into the future. Right now, I'm fighting for every on time departure I can, and hope that others are doing the same. The given also goes for gas. Hopefully, Delta sees our contribution and we get some airframes out of the deal. Frankly, I'm feeling like we deserve something for our hard work. However, if there is nothing for Delta/SkyWest Inc. to give, then there is nothing we can do about it. The truth is, Mesa still has some fight in it, but not much. I'm thinking we will see some stuff happen in January. I originally thought it would be this week, but guess that wasn't for us to know.......yet.

 

[777forever]

I wasn't here yet, but did we gain anything in the contract as a result of the chest thumping?

 

[JoeMerchant]

I wasn't here yet, but did we gain anything in the contract as a result of the chest thumping?

No...

 

[COOPERVANE]

Your right, I have a limited background. For the 25 years prior to joining ASA, I counted every job I ever had at every level and it totaled 32. Restaurant, hotel, marine, catering, sales, marketing, medical, insurance,flight instruction, cargo and retail. How many companies have you worked for? I stand by my original statement.

And yes... every leg I've ever flown was perfect in every way.

Jackass

Do you seriously believe that you should not hold your company to a higher standard unless you do your own job perfectly?......really

Normally Aviator I agree with your posts, but not this time.

I agree NOW it is better than it was, but we still have one guy at the helm with a bunch of bumbling fools trying to plug all the holes in a leaking ship. The problem is no one knows where all the plugs are and the guy in charge of the mallets forgot to order them!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Your right, I have a limited background. For the 25 years prior to joining ASA, I counted every job I ever had at every level and it totaled 32. Restaurant, hotel, marine, catering, sales, marketing, medical, insurance,flight instruction, cargo and retail.

32 jobs in 25 years.....maybe you are the problem....I've had 6 in the past 25 years....This one is the best by far....

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Your right, I have a limited background. For the 25 years prior to joining ASA, I counted every job I ever had at every level and it totaled 32. Restaurant, hotel, marine, catering, sales, marketing, medical, insurance,flight instruction, cargo and retail. How many companies have you worked for? I stand by my original statement.

And yes... every leg I've ever flown was perfect in every way.

Jackass

Do you seriously believe that you should not hold your company to a higher standard unless you do your own job perfectly?......really

Normally Aviator I agree with your posts, but not this time.

I agree NOW it is better than it was, but we still have one guy at the helm with a bunch of bumbling fools trying to plug all the holes in a leaking ship. The problem is no one knows where all the plugs are and the guy in charge of the mallets forgot to order them!

I've had many jobs outside of aviation too. Some well managed, some not. ASA doesn't even come close to the worst. In fact, vis-a-vis our current position in the industry, I'd guess that we are being managed relatively well.

I just get tired of reading the same crap about how ASA is mis-managed. Just as our operation on the line has improved dramatically, so has the internal operation.

I apologize for being snide, but there's no reason for name calling.

And I wasn't saying that we can't hold our company to a higher standard. There are a lot of people on this board, however, that expect perfection from the G/O. My only point was that you shouldn't expect perfection unless you can demonstrate it yourself. Don't be so sanctimonious!

 

[Lolikoka]

Capital "M"

Your right, I have a limited background. For the 25 years prior to joining ASA, I counted every job I ever had at every level and it totaled 32. Restaurant, hotel, marine, catering, sales, marketing, medical, insurance,flight instruction, cargo and retail. How many companies have you worked for? I stand by my original statement.

And yes... every leg I've ever flown was perfect in every way.

Jackass

Do you seriously believe that you should not hold your company to a higher standard unless you do your own job perfectly?......really

Normally Aviator I agree with your posts, but not this time.

I agree NOW it is better than it was, but we still have one guy at the helm with a bunch of bumbling fools trying to plug all the holes in a leaking ship. The problem is no one knows where all the plugs are and the guy in charge of the mallets forgot to order them!

IF YOU WERE REALLY A MARINE, YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN TO CAPITALIZE THE "M." MARINE IS A TITLE, NOT JUST A NOUN. IT IS A TITLE THAT IS EARNED THROUGH DEDICATION AND HARD WORK.

 

[gator_hater]

Maybe, just maybe, marine is the industry and not the soldier. I believe that was the context he was speaking in. Thinking a little outside the box and your blood pressure wouldn't be so high.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

IF YOU WERE REALLY A MARINE, YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN TO CAPITALIZE THE "M." MARINE IS A TITLE, NOT JUST A NOUN. IT IS A TITLE THAT IS EARNED THROUGH DEDICATION AND HARD WORK.

Oorah!!

 

[Abernathy]

IF YOU WERE REALLY A MARINE, YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN TO CAPITALIZE THE "M." MARINE IS A TITLE, NOT JUST A NOUN. IT IS A TITLE THAT IS EARNED THROUGH DEDICATION AND HARD WORK.

Wow easy there champ.

 

[TWA69]

IF YOU WERE REALLY A MARINE, YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN TO CAPITALIZE THE "M." MARINE IS A TITLE, NOT JUST A NOUN. IT IS A TITLE THAT IS EARNED THROUGH DEDICATION AND HARD WORK.

Jessep: You want answers?
Kaffee (Tom Cruise): I think I'm entitled to them.
Jessep: You want answers?
Kaffee: I want the truth!
Jessep: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall.
We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!
Kaffee: Did you order the code red?
Jessep: (quietly) I did the job you sent me to do.
Kaffee: Did you order the code red?
Jessep: You're goddamn right I did!!

 

[Lolikoka]

Swabbie? Rust Picker?

Maybe, just maybe, marine is the industry and not the soldier. I believe that was the context he was speaking in. Thinking a little outside the box and your blood pressure wouldn't be so high.

There are other appropriate terms for boat drivers - like swabbie, squid, or rust-picker. Oh, Marines are not "soldiers."

All in fun. Semper Fi.

 

[777forever]

No...

Wow, imagine a world where we would have our current contract plus 17 900s. What in the world were they trying to get out of management to add to the contract?