ASA management still asking for concessions

["GO AROUND"]

Bullsh!t
I'm guessing we will see airport reserve... which unless you came from another company you have no idea how much that sucks. You might get two guys with long call but you will also have short call... Good luck living in the ATL with a one hour call out... You might as well be at the airport anyway. The reserve system now is fine. If you don't think so you need to work at another company for a while... This is coming from someone who is a professional reservist.

IP's should be farmed out to riddle or UND grads with 100 hours. Pay em 30,000 and take that huge bargaining chip and buy something you need. Like turning sick days into personal days. Another item you might consider is getting paid for unused sick time when you leave the company... etc...

Here is another one. Bend on the 70 rate... Not break just bend. Then pursue trip and duty rigs. I play for the W2 at the end of the year. You are playing small ball if you are playing for pay rate.

If I hear another Union blow hard screaming about SKYW 70 for 50 I will puke. SKYW pilots are making more than you... A lot more. The only exception might be an 18 year guy on the 70 who blocks 92 hours a month. How many of those are at the company?

Crash,

Glad I'm so high on your list for convincing people to do what I say. If that were the case I sure as He!! wouldn't be flying for a living, I'd be the best salesman in the world and worth billions. Now back to reality.

Short call is still 2 hrs with 15 min to call back, long call is 12 hrs with 60 minutes to call back and there is ready reserve. Long call is what a lot of pilots said they wanted, so a ready reserve system was wanted by the company to offset that. Short call is the same as it is now, but with the bucket system, seniority based etc... For those that don't know, long call pilots are the ones that fly the most. Ask a Coex pilot. I don't know the specifics on ready reserve, I think it is like AE's. No one pilot will do a month of ready reserve, it will be split among all the reserves. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I'm doing this from memory. For you and me crash the short call will improve, with access to all the info to hold Screw Scheduling accountable that we don't have now and improve QOL.

The IP's are worth the deal they have now. I for one do not want to go back to FSI rejects that don't know anything about our SOP's or airplane and we spend the entire PC arguing about procedures that he thinks he knows. Only he is thinking about the Other airplanes that he instructs in. Does anyone else remember the problems when FSI did the 120 training? I for one don't want that back.

I am with you about the whole gross pay vs pay rate thing. But the proposeal the company keeps passing back would make my gross pay go down as every other cost in my life goes up. That's my issue. They are telling me to make less with no increases for what would amount to 9 yrs when they are making good money. They can take a flying leap off the top of the GO with that proposal! Let them make less money too, I havn't heard any of them proposing a pay freeze for them like they want me to do. All this lip service about Vision and Team makes me want to uke: . They don't want to be a part of that Vision or Team do they?

I don't want money for nuthin. But let me have the ability to make more morey if I work more or the guarantee if I don't. Their proposal would make me have to work harder to bring my pay back up to what it is now and work more to account for the cost of living increases.

My fingers hurt from typing so much. I'm trying for the best contract for the times in case my lines in the water don't get any bites. Otherwise I might pull the handle and punch out of this F'd up industry.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

Comes down to having to lose some up front pay for some on the back end. With stock options, profit sharing and better work rules ASA is helping themselves on the tax side of the house. I see your work rules and it ain't bad. There is much worse out there.

If there isn't something taken on the front side, I very much believe there will not be many 70 seaters on the ASA side for long. It benifits SkyWest Inc in no way what so ever. Time to wake up and smell the crap sandwich because theres going to be one eaten here really soon.

BTW, how many guys at SkyWest do you see carrying on like this? It's a regional for crying out loud. At least ASA hasn't had a HoJet or Freedom to deal with..... yet. Take the friggin pay cuts on the 700, get some more on the 200 and suck it up. 70-90 seat is the way of the future. Better secure the flying now and get better wages once the market can absorb it. Ain't going to happen right now.

Comair is paying the price right now, do you guys want to be next?

 

[SSDD]

Whatever you do, don't let them talk you into the "bucket system" for reserve. It totally bypasses seniority. The trip goes to whoever fits in the "bucket." There is no such thing as first or last call. If a 3 day trip comes up, it goes to the person who has three reserve days left. A 4 day trip to the one who has 4 days left and so on. Your work preferences don't mean anything.

 

[atrdriver]

Take the friggin pay cuts on the 700, get some more on the 200 and suck it up. 70-90 seat is the way of the future. Better secure the flying now and get better wages once the market can absorb it. Ain't going to happen right now.

How bout we just offer to fly the 70's for free. That should secure ALL the 70 seat flying, then we can work on a payrate 9 years from now.

 

["GO AROUND"]

Whatever you do, don't let them talk you into the "bucket system" for reserve. It totally bypasses seniority. The trip goes to whoever fits in the "bucket." There is no such thing as first or last call. If a 3 day trip comes up, it goes to the person who has three reserve days left. A 4 day trip to the one who has 4 days left and so on. Your work preferences don't mean anything.

The bucket system still works with seniority within the bucket you are in with the most senior on the bottom and last to be called. At least you will be able to see where you stand in the bucket to know if you are going to get called or not based on seniority. It's not perfect but its better than what we have now. I will be able to plan things when I can see I am at the bottom of the bucket with enough guys above me to be called first.

 

[rtmcfi]

The bucket system still works with seniority within the bucket you are in with the most senior on the bottom and last to be called. At least you will be able to see where you stand in the bucket to know if you are going to get called or not based on seniority. It's not perfect but its better than what we have now. I will be able to plan things when I can see I am at the bottom of the bucket with enough guys above me to be called first.

Perhaps in theory, but maybe not so much in practice. I have heard this is a pita for the SkyWest folks. Not many of them seem to like it.

 

[fsworld]

Whatever you do, don't let them talk you into the "bucket system" for reserve. It totally bypasses seniority. The trip goes to whoever fits in the "bucket." There is no such thing as first or last call. If a 3 day trip comes up, it goes to the person who has three reserve days left. A 4 day trip to the one who has 4 days left and so on. Your work preferences don't mean anything.

At least its a system, unlike now...

 

[601Pilot]

BTW, how many guys at SkyWest do you see carrying on like this? It's a regional for crying out loud. At least ASA hasn't had a HoJet or Freedom to deal with..... yet. Take the friggin pay cuts on the 700, get some more on the 200 and suck it up. 70-90 seat is the way of the future. Better secure the flying now and get better wages once the market can absorb it. Ain't going to happen right now.

Comair is paying the price right now, do you guys want to be next?

I nominate these for the dumbest statements on Flightinfo for 2006;
please let Darwinism run its course for you!

And yes, I guess we'll have to be next to pay the price. They can have all the 70s and 50s for that matter; just hurry up and do something either way.

 

[Airline RC]

How bout we just offer to fly the 70's for free. That should secure ALL the 70 seat flying, then we can work on a payrate 9 years from now.

When did JetBlue start flying any ATRs ?

 

[atrdriver]

When did JetBlue start flying any ATRs ?

huh??

 

[~~~^~~~]

I also understand they are actively pursuing blending the lists and having us fly everything ala Mesa. What are everyone's thoughts on this? I for one don't like it one bit.

If they expect me to be able to land a CRJ-100, 200, 700, 705, 900 after kicking off the autopilot around 80 feet on a CATII approach they probably going to have to perform a few hard landing inspections. It seems like the sight picture would be different as well as where the pilot is sitting when the main gear are 80 feet off the ground.

I dunno, never have tried going from the -200 to the -700 after not having flown the other type in a month or two.

 

[fsworld]

Any word on Thursdays negotiations?

 

["GO AROUND"]

No, nothing yet. I guess we'll probably hear that the company negotiators will have to go back and talk over economics with someone who has the power after the CNC passes back the counter.

 

[ohplease!]

If they expect me to be able to land a CRJ-100, 200, 700, 705, 900 after kicking off the autopilot around 80 feet on a CATII approach they probably going to have to perform a few hard landing inspections. It seems like the sight picture would be different as well as where the pilot is sitting when the main gear are 80 feet off the ground.

I dunno, never have tried going from the -200 to the -700 after not having flown the other type in a month or two.

So, what you're saying is, you're a 3rd rate pilot (at best) somewhere behind Mesa and Skywest. They fly both/all types and have for a while now and they don't seem to have any trouble.

 

[SuperKooter]

We won't get any growth if we don't come down on the 70 rates. Its really silly not too. Now that Comair is being saved by RAH we can expect them to be the new baby of delta. They will be get 30 more 70s and we are having ours taken away.

I wish the greedy people on the 70 would think of the rest of the airline and not be so selfish.

 

["GO AROUND"]

We won't get any growth if we don't come down on the 70 rates. Its really silly not too. Now that Comair is being saved by RAH we can expect them to be the new baby of delta. They will be get 30 more 70s and we are having ours taken away.

I wish the greedy people on the 70 would think of the rest of the airline and not be so selfish.

Great! Another Flamer...:angryfire

 

[SuperKooter]

Its not a flame I just don't understand why we need to keep a wage on 35 planes and not get growth. Its only an 8% cut. Thats 1 or bucks. Now comair is going to get our GROWTH.

 

[scarlet]

If they expect me to be able to land a CRJ-100, 200, 700, 705, 900 after kicking off the autopilot around 80 feet on a CATII approach they probably going to have to perform a few hard landing inspections. It seems like the sight picture would be different as well as where the pilot is sitting when the main gear are 80 feet off the ground.

I dunno, never have tried going from the -200 to the -700 after not having flown the other type in a month or two.

What would you do if you go to a major that flies 737-300-500-700-800-900 or 757-200-300 to 767200-300?????????????????????

 

[scarlet]

do you think in 5-7 years ASA will still be flying 50 seaters----NO!!!!!!!!!!

they will have 70-76 seaters or more paying your rate on the 50 because of people like you --not looking into the future...read the delta contract you will know where Skywest INC is going---70 and bigger---but wanting to pay us 50 seat rates.....

skywest ask delta to put those rates in the contract for emb 170-190 to keep us all down...

You think DAL wants to fly to dhn-monroe-jackson-,, I am sure that is where majors today want to expand the dom; route---NOT

 

[SuperKooter]

do you think in 5-7 years ASA will still be flying 50 seaters----NO!!!!!!!!!!

they will have 70-76 seaters or more paying your rate on the 50 because of people like you --not looking into the future...read the delta contract you will know where Skywest INC is going---70 and bigger---but wanting to pay us 50 seat rates.....

skywest ask delta to put those rates in the contract for emb 170-190 to keep us all down...

You think DAL wants to fly to dhn-monroe-jackson-,, I am sure that is where majors today want to expand the dom; route---NOT

I'll be gone by then so I don't care.

 

[crjskipper]

Wasnt trying to flame. FO told me he had heard that talks broke down cause of the strike, thats all. Plus - isnt Charlie negotiating - he is senior management so why would he have to go talk to senior management. Plus it was right before the picketing. He is there instead of Scott because he is senior management -oh well.

Frustrated with the union - hell yes. We are screwed either way. We stand firm on no 700 pay cut, guess what - Jerry gives all the 700 flying to SW. Dont blame SW. Our fellow union 'brothers' at MESA, CHQ, COM, PIN and several others with lower rates will jump on our flyng in a heartbeat. Look at EXJet, they were giving us crap not long ago because we threatened to take their flying. Now they are taking west coast flying.

The 700 pay rates today are jacked anyway. Until the 700 all ASA rates were linear - same percentage increase each year. Then with the 700 we got the inflated top end rate. The 5 year guy gets a buck or two more, but the 18 year guy (itself over the 15 year top we always had) gets an 18 buck raise. That payscale was a sellout in my opinion. I am not advocating a cut, but if you bring the top (15-18) year rate down you dont effect many.

So yes, I am very disgruntled about our union. If we stand our ground ( and I think we should ) another ALPA carrier will gladly take our flying. And dont blame SW for being nonunion. They have much better wages and work rules than most ALPA carriers that threaten us. We are represented by a union that could care less about what happens to us. Not our own alpa guys - but our union in general.

 

[crjskipper]

double post - woops.

 

[SuperKooter]

If these liberal communists in the ASA mec cared about their future they would do whats best for the company and the pilots not whats best for a few fools who think they are entitled.

Moderator reviewed.

 

[Marsupial]

Whatever you do, don't let them talk you into the "bucket system" for reserve. It totally bypasses seniority. The trip goes to whoever fits in the "bucket." There is no such thing as first or last call. If a 3 day trip comes up, it goes to the person who has three reserve days left. A 4 day trip to the one who has 4 days left and so on. Your work preferences don't mean anything.

well it's not like seniority means anything now anyhow. there is no rhyme or reason as to how they assign reserve trips.

 

["GO AROUND"]

Its not a flame I just don't understand why we need to keep a wage on 35 planes and not get growth. Its only an 8% cut. Thats 1 or bucks. Now comair is going to get our GROWTH.

Did you flunk basic math in school? 8% of the rates for guys on the 70 would be 6-8 bucks an hour. That's 450-600 buck a month just on guarantee. Use a calculator, there's one on every computer, if you can't do it in your head. You just made yourself look like a horses A$$. Any way you slice it that's a big cut for a company that is making money.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

The problem here is looking at what is happening with TSA and GJ. TSA guys stood firm and now that side of the company is shrinking and GJ is growing. But we sure showed those scumbags at GJ.

If you guys think for a second that won't happen here between SkyWest and ASA, you've been at the union punch bowl too long. Bottom line is how much money can the company make for the shareholders to get more capital invested. The sooner the facts get faced on that one, the sooner this crap sandwich will be eaten and you don't have to dread it anymore.

 

[D'Angelo]

Did you flunk basic math in school? 8% of the rates for guys on the 70 would be 6-8 bucks an hour. That's 450-600 buck a month just on guarantee. Use a calculator, there's one on every computer, if you can't do it in your head. You just made yourself look like a horses A$$. Any way you slice it that's a big cut for a company that is making money.

When you think outside the box you realize that growth = much bigger payraise for the junior guys. I guess ASA is just another case of weve got ours so we might as well try to break the bank. Screw those who are waiting for upgrade

 

[wmuflyguy]

If these liberal communists in the ASA mec cared about their future they would do whats best for the company and the pilots not whats best for a few fools who think they are entitled.

Moderator reviewed.

IS that you Adamkooper? I'm thinking you, D'angela, and ohplease need to go start your own airline flying 70 seaters for $5.15 and hour.

 

[D'Angelo]

If these liberal communists in the ASA mec cared about their future they would do whats best for the company and the pilots not whats best for a few fools who think they are entitled.

Moderator reviewed.

Way to go! Yet another pilot thinking for himself! The ranks are going. You commies can run but you cant hide! ALPOs days of dominance are OVER

 

[Tomct]

Guys, don't fret the "Pooter Scooter," he is just another manager that is trying to start crap on this board. Remember Brian, we won't bend you idiot!!

Turkey, I am sorry for your guys situation over there at TSA, but we are not going to bend on this deal. I believe that the SK guys/gals are going to vote in the union and put an end to a lot of this crap. We shall see, but from everything I have read from our union reps, we are doing the right thing and when we have our strike vote pass by over 97%, Mr. Atkin is going to CRAP himself!! Get ready JERRY!!!!!!