ASA IAD base confirmed: Senior?

[crj567]

I've talked to 4 Skywest pilots since the announcement was made....ALL 4 congratulated ASA on getting this United flying and hoped we got more...

Can we stop the attacks on our fellow Skywest pilots crj567?

I am just saying.....

Some people around the ATL are unhappy to see all the SKYW 50 seaters showing up here with people on the street. I don't hold it against the pilots, but it ain't too hard to see that we are totally being played.

-If you would pull your head out of that silly RJDC rabbit hole for a while, maybe you would notice these things.

 

[screamingpax]

like y'all did in the ATL?

In a word, no.

Sorry dude but we have a lot of guys on the street and the general feeling is is sucks seeing Skywest flying 50s in ATL while they are unemployed. If it weren't for that factor, Skywest would be much more welcome. I would expect you guys to have the same resentment toward us if we had moved into your bases while you had pilots on furlough!

 

[screamingpax]

Overall, who knows what is going to happen. I would say everybody but the most senior people will have there lives change somewhat. Don't forget, I don't think it will just be the NE people that bid it, think of all of the people that commute from difficult cities like DFW. While it might be slightly longer flight, it would probably be easier than having to deal with the DL people. Those people are generally more senior.

 

[WWEfan]

I'm sure we will get plenty of volunteers for the captain slots in IAD. Not so much for the FO's.

 

[aircombat]

He said it will be a vacancy/displacement bid. 30 F/O vacancies will open up in IAD, and 30 F/O seats will disappear from ATL (therefore "displacements"). Same for captains. It should be in seniority order, so everyone will put their bids in, and the computer will sort it all out. What this means to me, though, (and I could have this all wrong) is that there is the definite possibility that F/Os who are senior to the current most junior CR2 captain could take the captain vacancy in IAD, and leave the bottom captain being displaced to the right seat; meanwhile conceivably a more junior CR7 captain would be untouched.

It would create a bit of a mess since this is different than a new base due to expansion. I feel for any more captain downgrades that might occur, due to an FO deciding that now is the time to upgrade. Someone please correct me if I've got this wrong.

you do have it wrong. Section 24.G.2
a. Captains and first officers may displace:
1. The most junior pilot in the same category in the system, or if
unavailabe, then
2. A more junior pilot in the same status in another aircraft type in
the current domicile, or, if unavailable, then
3. The most junior pilot in the same status in another aircraft type in
the system
any displaced 200 Capt. can displace a 700 Capt. who is junior.

 

[zawillif]

Absolutely. Anytime a new base is opened, there's no seat lock. A few guys bid LAX just to get off the 70 and back on the 50...

Trojan

Is this true? I read through the Filling of Vacancies section and I didn't see any mention of domicile changes. I'm locked until the summer supposedly.

 

[BillJBrake]

Heard they (ASA) might be getting a B77W for the IAD-ATL trunk route/shuttle. Any truth to this?

 

[SkyNation]

Sorry dude but we have a lot of guys on the street and the general feeling is is sucks seeing Skywest flying 50s in ATL while they are unemployed. If it weren't for that factor, Skywest would be much more welcome. I would expect you guys to have the same resentment toward us if we had moved into your bases while you had pilots on furlough!

when did you guys furlough, and when did we establish an ATL base? seems that the latter happened first, and plenty of chest thumping, crying and complaining went on here on these boards. we got the dirty looks in the ATL right away as well. maybe it's just the ridiculous humidity there makes everyone pissy.

welcome to UEX, IAD and ORD to all y'all!

 

[buscap]

Skywest flies for United??

Crap!!!

Scabs took our (ASA) jobs!!!

Chrome won't let me emoticon this thing...so insert your best guess please!!!

 

[MYFpilot]

A ORD base would be great. Are you Skywest guys going to get your panties in a bundle if this happens?

Their not panties... secret underwear actually

 

[Brazilgun]

Their not panties... secret underwear actually

You can't teach stupid.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Is this true? I read through the Filling of Vacancies section and I didn't see any mention of domicile changes. I'm locked until the summer supposedly.

The seat locks were lifted for the last bid cycle. Did people not realize that? Someone else told me they didn't go back to the 200 because they were seat locked.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

when did you guys furlough, and when did we establish an ATL base? seems that the latter happened first, and plenty of chest thumping, crying and complaining went on here on these boards. we got the dirty looks in the ATL right away as well. maybe it's just the ridiculous humidity there makes everyone pissy.

welcome to UEX, IAD and ORD to all y'all!

Don't feel bad. Some of our finest gave Comair pilots crap on the radios when they started flying to ATL, even though we had already flown into CVG long before.

 

[USCtrojan]

Is this true? I read through the Filling of Vacancies section and I didn't see any mention of domicile changes. I'm locked until the summer supposedly.

Yes. If you want IAD, they cannot seat lock you. Makes no difference if you upgraded yesterday, or switched aircraft last week. It's brand new. Addtionally, if you bid and were awarded IAD, and ORD opened up a week later, you would be able to hold ORD (assuming that's what you wanted.) Since it's brand new. Now after 6 mo. all bets are off. Once you bid into IAD, and nothing new opens up, you are seat locked for 6 months in new domicile (unless you can upgrade).

Trojan

 

[zawillif]

The seat locks were lifted for the last bid cycle. Did people not realize that? Someone else told me they didn't go back to the 200 because they were seat locked.

I didn't want to go back to the 200 during the last displacement/furlough, so I didn't do any research into it...but, from what I read it was the people who were moving in that displacement that were immune from seat lock. For instance, a captain wanting to be a "senior FO" or a someone switching between 200/700 were free from the seat lock that would ensue. This was specific to the August/September displacement bid.

I went to the 700 when we got the 900s in the early spring. No mention was made of us, and my name still appears on the Aircraft Freeze List every month.

 

[USCtrojan]

I didn't want to go back to the 200 during the last displacement/furlough, so I didn't do any research into it...but, from what I read it was the people who were moving in that displacement that were immune from seat lock. For instance, a captain wanting to be a "senior FO" or a someone switching between 200/700 were free from the seat lock that would ensue. This was specific to the August/September displacement bid.

I went to the 700 when we got the 900s in the early spring. No mention was made of us, and my name still appears on the Aircraft Freeze List every month.

That seat lock only applies in domicile and cannot affect your upgrade. You can upgrade anytime you want to assuming you can hold it and there's a vacancy.

That seat lock will not tell you its stipulations. Its a general thing and it's normal once you change seats.

Trojan

 

[ASA_Aviator]

I didn't want to go back to the 200 during the last displacement/furlough, so I didn't do any research into it...but, from what I read it was the people who were moving in that displacement that were immune from seat lock. For instance, a captain wanting to be a "senior FO" or a someone switching between 200/700 were free from the seat lock that would ensue. This was specific to the August/September displacement bid.

I went to the 700 when we got the 900s in the early spring. No mention was made of us, and my name still appears on the Aircraft Freeze List every month.

You could have gone back to the 200, if you wanted to, during that bid. There are people who did so who went to the 700 when the 900s came, and went back to the 200 during that bid.

 

[sunlitpath]

The company is not required to exercise the "Super Senority Option" or "Bypass Option", as it also known. The contract gives the company the option of using it or not using it. They would certainly save thousands of dollars if they did use it.

 

[boctal]

I think it will be sort of like how the 700 list is now. Pretty senior on top half then extremely junior on the bottom half. I'm packing my bags already for the displacement....

The only way that I see -700 FO's being displaced to the -200 in IAD ( a double displacement if you will) would be if junior captains bid FO in order to stay in ATL. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but according to section 24 G(a) of the CBA, which lists the order in which people get displaced, the most junior pilot in the same CATEGORY in the system is the first one displaced and then continues until that condition is no longer met. At that point, then (this is a key word in this section) it goes to 24 G(a)(2) and so on. The definition of "Category" is in section 2 and is a combination of pilot status and aircraft type (aka FO CR2). In other words, -200 FO's that are senior to -700 FO's will be displaced before their junior counterparts on the -700. This bid also does not include a -700 vacancy or reduction so -200 FO's will not be able to bid over to avoid it. While that might not be fair, unfortunately, that's the way it looks like it will happen.

Of course, this is all assuming that not enough people voluntarily want to go to IAD, so it might be a moot point.

 

[777forever]

The only way that I see -700 FO's being displaced to the -200 in IAD ( a double displacement if you will) would be if junior captains bid FO in order to stay in ATL. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but according to section 24 G(a) of the CBA, which lists the order in which people get displaced, the most junior pilot in the same CATEGORY in the system is the first one displaced and then continues until that condition is no longer met. At that point, then (this is a key word in this section) it goes to 24 G(a)(2) and so on. The definition of "Category" is in section 2 and is a combination of pilot status and aircraft type (aka FO CR2). In other words, -200 FO's that are senior to -700 FO's will be displaced before their junior counterparts on the -700. This bid also does not include a -700 vacancy or reduction so -200 FO's will not be able to bid over to avoid it. While that might not be fair, unfortunately, that's the way it looks like it will happen.

Of course, this is all assuming that not enough people voluntarily want to go to IAD, so it might be a moot point.

Wow, you learn something new everyday. Appreciate the explanation!