ASA Hiring???

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

79%,,,

ACA has a huge operation at CVG...At last count, they have 84 departures a day..and that really sucks.

 

[46Driver]

e120,
If Delta was to drop us (ACA), then Delta would have to buy our Dorniers. That is part of our contract (which last through Sept 2009) with DAL. Considering the maintenance problems we have had, you really don't want them - although I will say it is a blast to fly. At any rate, good luck with ASA - I've got a bunch of friends there.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

e120,
If Delta was to drop us (ACA), then Delta would have to buy our Dorniers. That is part of our contract (which last through Sept 2009) with DAL. Considering the maintenance problems we have had, you really don't want them - although I will say it is a blast to fly. At any rate, good luck with ASA - I've got a bunch of friends there.

I'm curious whether or not that would hold true when you bring something larger than a 70 seat jet on property.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

79%,,,

ACA has a huge operation at CVG...At last count, they have 84 departures a day..and that really sucks.

No... that just kind of sucks.....

Comair presently having 100 daily departures out of ATL with plans to expand to 200 is what really sucks. Fellow Aviator, I'm assuming you work for Comair.... If so, you're really barking up the wrong tree when it comes to complaining about someone else flying out of your hub....

 

[46Driver]

FmrFreightDog,
Good question - a lot of the DAL guys are under the impression that we can not fly anything bigger than 70 seats even if it is outside of DCI. However, both our MEC and our company president both addressed this specific question and said it was not a problem. Our current contract with Delta is not affected.

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

I would much rather have ASA in CVG then ACA. We have common interest like keeping the flying within the company brand for a lot of reasons.

We operate 60 out of ATL, not 100. As far as 200? I know of no "plans" for this. Where did you hear that one? It certainly was not from any one at Comair.

I completely understand that it was a matter of circumstance that we are now owned and not contractors. Nothing I did made this happen. But now that it has, we naturally look at things from a differant perspective. We want all of our companys growth to go to company pilots. That is natural and will not change.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

We operate 60 out of ATL, not 100. As far as 200? I know of no "plans" for this. Where did you hear that one? It certainly was not from any one at Comair.

I heard the 100 and 200 numbers from one of our operations managers in reference to parking plans. I personally cannot vouch for the accuracy of them.

We want all of our companys growth to go to company pilots. That is natural and will not change. [/B]

Agreed. I just hope you keep that mentality when Delta uses us to invade Cincinatti during your next contract talks. I'm not saying I'm particularly looking forward to it, but it will happen.


What continues to perplex me is this:

As Delta continues to overlap our operations, why are we not pushing hard for single carrier status in the courts if necessary? By my way of thinking that would solve a lot of our collective problems and give us a little leverage we need to address the ACA/Skywest/Chautauqua problem (no offense guys....). To me, this seems like a far better use of resources than sueing ALPA, but I don't want to beat that dead horse.


Apparently my HTML cut and past skills are lacking... sorry....

 

[~~~^~~~]

As Delta continues to overlap our operations, why are we not pushing hard for single carrier status in the courts if necessary? By my way of thinking that would solve a lot of our collective problems and give us a little leverage we need to address the ACA/Skywest/Chautauqua problem (no offense guys....). To me, this seems like a far better use of resources than sueing ALPA, but I don't want to beat that dead horse.

The horse is not dead yet, you were just not around for its most recent beating. Your MEC (assuming you are an ASA, or Comair pilot) did request that ALPA proceed under the Merger and Fragmentation Policy found in the union's Constitution and Bylaws. The National union refused, at the direction of the Delta MEC. This refusal was appealed via several grievances. The National union refused to allow the grievances to proceed. We then had a bunch of meetings and ALPA set up the Bilateral Scope Impact Committee to study the problem until we all are past age 60. Finally, we filed a lawsuit because our union refuses to proceed as you suggested.

The law suit is in the process of becoming a class action, so the horse will get beat with a larger whip. You can opt out if you desire, or ALPA can proceed with your suggestion when and if they decide to run their union instead of allowing the Delta MEC to run it for them. Or, perhaps the junior Delta pilots will figure out they are just as screwed by ALPA apartied as you and I are, and they can demand a change within the DMEC.

I would prefer the change come from within the Delta MEC, but if ALPA lacks the resolve to fix the alter ego problem, we will fix it. The destination is certain, how we get there remains to be seen.

 

[wil]

I say sue ALPA and f*ck 'em! On my last paysheet those bastards have taken over $500.00 YTD and for what? I am fed up with DALPA, ALPA. I support the class action lawsuit-

 

[FmrFreightDog]

The law suit is in the process of becoming a class action, so the horse will get beat with a larger whip. You can opt out if you desire, or ALPA can proceed with your suggestion when and if they decide to run their union instead of allowing the Delta MEC to run it for them. Or, perhaps the junior Delta pilots will figure out they are just as screwed by ALPA apartied as you and I are, and they can demand a change within the DMEC.

Just to be clear.... when I was talking of operational integration and single carrier status, I was referring to Comair and ASA ONLY. I do not now, nor will I ever, support the RJDC lawsuit which seeks the abolition of scope. Concentrate on merging Comair and ASA. Forget about forcing a merger with Delta. A merged Comair and ASA would possibly be able to gain some scope language governing DCI flying. That is what we need. That is what will protect our jobs. Pinning your hopes on an inappropriate and baseless lawsuit that can only serve to neuter the very scope that could be used to protect us is not what I support. I can't wait until the class action lawsuit is opened to the rank and file of ASA pilots because, on that day, you will see how little support you really have within our pilot group.

Please spare me the canned responses. I dutifully read every press release the RJDC issues before appropriately filing them away in the trash can.

 

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You have never explained how ASA and Comair can obtain scope without being able to negotiate with Delta.

ALPA has clearly warned your MEC they will be placed into recievership if they dare try to engage Delta in scope negotiations. Why do you think ALPA would change their position if somehow there was a merger? Comair and ASA's MECs have requested represenation to our employer in writing on numerous occasions and ALPA has refused these representational requests. It is not Delta that is blocking your MEC, it is your own union, got it?

Besides, there is a better case for "operational integration" between Delta and ASA, or Comair than ASA and Comair. Delta controls the marketing, schedules, ticket stock, operational control and all financial functions of the Corporations. This can not be said of ASA's relationship with Comair, or vice versa.

An ASA and Comair merger may happen because management decides it is cost effective. It would not mean much to us, in much the same way that bringing together the "regionals" did nothing for American Eagle.

I apologize for my frustration, but the history of these matters is clear. Nothing in that history reflects that the RJDC effort is anti scope - you know the opposite is true.

Your constant flaming on this board, as well as the ALPA board, is tiring. Why don't you do something useful with your energy like committee work? A little committee work might help you get in touch with reality.

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[MetroSheriff]

Using a guys name on the board as a means of political retribution.

That's kind of a dick.

 

[~~~^~~~]

That's kind of a dick.

So is this crap about the RJDC being anti scope.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Your constant flaming on this board, as well as the ALPA board, is tiring. Why don't you do something useful with your energy like committee work? A little committee work might help you get in touch with reality.

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Um, you obviously have me confused with somebody else as I never post on the ALPA board and very rarely post on the ASA board. Nevertheless, I'll stand behind my previous comments. I don't think the RJDC and it's lawsuit is good for ASA, Comair, Delta, or the industry as a whole. Having said that, I am going to go do something entertaining with my Friday night....

 

[Freight Dog]

Some excerpts from RJDefense.com:

"ALPA's use of job security, known as "scope" provisions in airline contracts, has long since transcended its traditional role and evolved into a remote control device by which major airline pilots control aircraft they don't fly by inhibiting small airliners from operating freely in the marketplace. This is clearly a convoluted restraint of free trade scenario and constitutes a major violation of the union's obligation to represent the interests of the union pilots who depend upon the RJ for their livelihoods. As such, we believe that ALPA is vulnerable to a legal challenge."

Free market? I have one word for you - MESA!

To me, this paragraph sounds like no scope.

On we go... RJDC lawsuit seeks to prevent ALPA from:

"5) Negotiating, facilitating, or advocating, or assisting others in negotiating, facilitating, or advocating, the use of scope clauses in collective bargaining agreements in such manner as to exercise control over the flying of pilots for a carrier other than the one for which the collective bargaining agreement is being negotiated."


Fins... define SCOPE.

RJDC IS anti-scope. It's right there black on white. If you think RJDC is not anti-scope, I have some ocean-front property outside of Phoenix I want to sell ya.

 

[MetroSheriff]

Ahhhh, but lest you forget young Skywalker:

Good Scope Includes, Bad Scope Excludes"

or so the mantra goes.

TIC

 

[Freight Dog]

heheheh... right.. if it includes Dan Ford, it's good, if it excludes it's bad.

I've seen the b.s. on ALPA boards.

 

[atl01]

Poolies

Just curious of how large the pool is right now. When I interviewed the end of last year I was with several furloughed TWA/AA and US Air guys. I am sure that with AirTran, ATA and jetBlue hiring, several of these folks have stopped treading water.