ASA Hiring???

[Ace757]

News from the top........ASA will not have another new hire class until atleast June 2004. And they already have tons of qualified applicants for the June class. Good luck everyone

 

[FL000]

News from the top........ASA will not have another new hire class until atleast June 2004. And they already have tons of qualified applicants for the June class. Good luck everyone

Spoke with an IP this week that said we have 50-some-odd E-120 transitions left to train, then they will be gearing up for new-hires again. I didn't quiz him further, except to just say "really?", since I was a bit shocked.

No details or confirmation. Just repeating what I heard. Ya' never know. The original estimate after the freeze was to start hiring again at year's end.

 

[Ted Striker]

ACE757,

You don't know what you are talking about. That might be true, but you won't know it until it happens. Half of the "confirmed" rumors come true and it takes 4 times as long as they say. Don't believe anything until it happens. Who is your source at "the top"?

 

[DrunkIrishman]

ASA will begin training on the last of the E-120 folks and at the end of the year we will have enough crews for every plane and then some. However, the excess is enough to cover 4 of the 15 RJ70's scheduled for next year and at 5 crews/plane, that's 110 new-hires. Then again, maybe we will furlough?

 

[79%N1]

Poolies....Dont hold your breath, and if you are hoping to mget hired here anytime soon, well.......

In April I was somewhere around 80 in DFW on the RJ. In Sept, I will be around #180! That is for 108 lines! We will also have about 230 total FO's in DFW. for 110 lines or so! How many aircraft do we need to get to get all of us flying? It will take along time to catch up! And for all you guys that keep saying something big is about to happen, you can almost forget it! We are out of space in ATL, and DFW for that matter! Delta is not going to grow ASA AT ALL while in negotiations! And while I think of it, why is ASA the ONLY DCI carrier that has to share our hubs with multiple carriers? Comair is growing big in ATL.....and we share all the flying in DFW with Skywest and now CHQ....but Comair doesnt have share CVG, aside from a few ACA flights in the Dojet, and Skywest basically has SLC all to themselves! What is up with this?

Anyway, my point is that by the time we get enough growth to get almost 200 FO's back off reserve....it will be well into 2004 or even 2005. Many FO's here will be on reserve for 2-3 years, and upgrading at ASA....You can FORGET THAT!

Go to Skywest, Comair, or even Chatauqua!

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

79%,,,

ACA has a huge operation at CVG...At last count, they have 84 departures a day..and that really sucks.

 

[46Driver]

e120,
If Delta was to drop us (ACA), then Delta would have to buy our Dorniers. That is part of our contract (which last through Sept 2009) with DAL. Considering the maintenance problems we have had, you really don't want them - although I will say it is a blast to fly. At any rate, good luck with ASA - I've got a bunch of friends there.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

e120,
If Delta was to drop us (ACA), then Delta would have to buy our Dorniers. That is part of our contract (which last through Sept 2009) with DAL. Considering the maintenance problems we have had, you really don't want them - although I will say it is a blast to fly. At any rate, good luck with ASA - I've got a bunch of friends there.

I'm curious whether or not that would hold true when you bring something larger than a 70 seat jet on property.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

79%,,,

ACA has a huge operation at CVG...At last count, they have 84 departures a day..and that really sucks.

No... that just kind of sucks.....

Comair presently having 100 daily departures out of ATL with plans to expand to 200 is what really sucks. Fellow Aviator, I'm assuming you work for Comair.... If so, you're really barking up the wrong tree when it comes to complaining about someone else flying out of your hub....

 

[46Driver]

FmrFreightDog,
Good question - a lot of the DAL guys are under the impression that we can not fly anything bigger than 70 seats even if it is outside of DCI. However, both our MEC and our company president both addressed this specific question and said it was not a problem. Our current contract with Delta is not affected.

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

I would much rather have ASA in CVG then ACA. We have common interest like keeping the flying within the company brand for a lot of reasons.

We operate 60 out of ATL, not 100. As far as 200? I know of no "plans" for this. Where did you hear that one? It certainly was not from any one at Comair.

I completely understand that it was a matter of circumstance that we are now owned and not contractors. Nothing I did made this happen. But now that it has, we naturally look at things from a differant perspective. We want all of our companys growth to go to company pilots. That is natural and will not change.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

We operate 60 out of ATL, not 100. As far as 200? I know of no "plans" for this. Where did you hear that one? It certainly was not from any one at Comair.

I heard the 100 and 200 numbers from one of our operations managers in reference to parking plans. I personally cannot vouch for the accuracy of them.

We want all of our companys growth to go to company pilots. That is natural and will not change. [/B]

Agreed. I just hope you keep that mentality when Delta uses us to invade Cincinatti during your next contract talks. I'm not saying I'm particularly looking forward to it, but it will happen.


What continues to perplex me is this:

As Delta continues to overlap our operations, why are we not pushing hard for single carrier status in the courts if necessary? By my way of thinking that would solve a lot of our collective problems and give us a little leverage we need to address the ACA/Skywest/Chautauqua problem (no offense guys....). To me, this seems like a far better use of resources than sueing ALPA, but I don't want to beat that dead horse.


Apparently my HTML cut and past skills are lacking... sorry....

 

[~~~^~~~]

As Delta continues to overlap our operations, why are we not pushing hard for single carrier status in the courts if necessary? By my way of thinking that would solve a lot of our collective problems and give us a little leverage we need to address the ACA/Skywest/Chautauqua problem (no offense guys....). To me, this seems like a far better use of resources than sueing ALPA, but I don't want to beat that dead horse.

The horse is not dead yet, you were just not around for its most recent beating. Your MEC (assuming you are an ASA, or Comair pilot) did request that ALPA proceed under the Merger and Fragmentation Policy found in the union's Constitution and Bylaws. The National union refused, at the direction of the Delta MEC. This refusal was appealed via several grievances. The National union refused to allow the grievances to proceed. We then had a bunch of meetings and ALPA set up the Bilateral Scope Impact Committee to study the problem until we all are past age 60. Finally, we filed a lawsuit because our union refuses to proceed as you suggested.

The law suit is in the process of becoming a class action, so the horse will get beat with a larger whip. You can opt out if you desire, or ALPA can proceed with your suggestion when and if they decide to run their union instead of allowing the Delta MEC to run it for them. Or, perhaps the junior Delta pilots will figure out they are just as screwed by ALPA apartied as you and I are, and they can demand a change within the DMEC.

I would prefer the change come from within the Delta MEC, but if ALPA lacks the resolve to fix the alter ego problem, we will fix it. The destination is certain, how we get there remains to be seen.

 

[wil]

I say sue ALPA and f*ck 'em! On my last paysheet those bastards have taken over $500.00 YTD and for what? I am fed up with DALPA, ALPA. I support the class action lawsuit-

 

[FmrFreightDog]

The law suit is in the process of becoming a class action, so the horse will get beat with a larger whip. You can opt out if you desire, or ALPA can proceed with your suggestion when and if they decide to run their union instead of allowing the Delta MEC to run it for them. Or, perhaps the junior Delta pilots will figure out they are just as screwed by ALPA apartied as you and I are, and they can demand a change within the DMEC.

Just to be clear.... when I was talking of operational integration and single carrier status, I was referring to Comair and ASA ONLY. I do not now, nor will I ever, support the RJDC lawsuit which seeks the abolition of scope. Concentrate on merging Comair and ASA. Forget about forcing a merger with Delta. A merged Comair and ASA would possibly be able to gain some scope language governing DCI flying. That is what we need. That is what will protect our jobs. Pinning your hopes on an inappropriate and baseless lawsuit that can only serve to neuter the very scope that could be used to protect us is not what I support. I can't wait until the class action lawsuit is opened to the rank and file of ASA pilots because, on that day, you will see how little support you really have within our pilot group.

Please spare me the canned responses. I dutifully read every press release the RJDC issues before appropriately filing them away in the trash can.