ASA hats

[FR8mastr]

Rez, while I hate the hat in the summer, I must agree with you on all your points. I spoke with the FED EX chairman last week at the US Air picketing event, and he and another FED EX pilot stated the same thing about the hat. They bought them for just such occasions. They also wore them for the Airways event. I can tell you first hand that the the pilots at the picketing event did look sharp, it would have not been the same without the hat.
I think I picked up on something reading this whole thread, most of the guys who hate the hat say they do because they feel they look like a dork or something similar. I felt the same way at first as I had never worn a hat before. I never thought anyone else looked stupid, after all it is what pilots wear, it was just me. Maybe many of the guys wanting no hat are thinking something like that.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Fr8master,

Thanks for the reply...

Here is my first post on this thread, post #4.

Whenever pilots complain about the hat it is always argued from a personal perspective.. it looks dorky, it's uncomfortable, etc.... But what does the public think.... (watch the replies to this thread... there will be no pragmaitc arguement: pilots will agrue personal reasons and try to speak for the public, managment etc.. But there will no effective professional arguement against the hat...)

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This isn't my opinion. I've simply surveyed the landscape and reported what I've seen. The hat sells the pilot image. The leather doesn't negatively impact the image.

My personal opinion doesn't matter. What matters is how the public and Wall Street perceive our image.

 

[Palomino]

Rez, while I hate the hat in the summer, I must agree with you on all your points. I spoke with the FED EX chairman last week at the US Air picketing event, and he and another FED EX pilot stated the same thing about the hat. They bought them for just such occasions. They also wore them for the Airways event. I can tell you first hand that the the pilots at the picketing event did look sharp, it would have not been the same without the hat.
I think I picked up on something reading this whole thread, most of the guys who hate the hat say they do because they feel they look like a dork or something similar. I felt the same way at first as I had never worn a hat before. I never thought anyone else looked stupid, after all it is what pilots wear, it was just me. Maybe many of the guys wanting no hat are thinking something like that.

ok...so let's follow the lead of FedEx and SWA, etc. to appease Rez. i'll wear mine in a picket line. otherwise it should be optional. the hat is stupid. if that's what it takes to convince shareholders to pay up then we have really lost our muscle.

ALPA must begin to 'think beyond the hat'. i have hope for the Prater regime. he seems to get it.

 

[Flybynite]

Public opinion? I am using what FedEx MEC Chair DW said (We got out pilots hats and we got a the best contract) as my basis for public opinion.

If this is true why did it take so long for FEDEX pilots to get a contract? Under your reasoning day after first info picketing a contract should have been signed. Didn't happen. Try another reason.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

ok...so let's follow the lead of FedEx and SWA, etc. to appease Rez. i'll wear mine in a picket line. otherwise it should be optional. the hat is stupid. if that's what it takes to convince shareholders to pay up then we have really lost our muscle.

Why is the hat stupid?

Appease me? Why? It has nothing to do with me. I have simply taken the reading and reported the value on the instrument. Is it me or the facts? If I tell you it is raining outside why get made at me? Why get mad at the rain? It is what it is....

Do you guys read the thread to engage in the debate or do you just keep stating your original thoughts?



ALPA must begin to 'think beyond the hat'. i have hope for the Prater regime. he seems to get it.

Beyond the hat? OK? Like how?

Prater? What do you hope in Prater?


I am wondering you guys really understanding how this career works. Sure you want the pay and work rules but when the HOW is explain to you, it's like trying to get a teenager to do his homework....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Public opinion? I am using what FedEx MEC Chair DW said (We got out pilots hats and we got a the best contract) as my basis for public opinion.

If this is true why did it take so long for FEDEX pilots to get a contract? Under your reasoning day after first info picketing a contract should have been signed. Didn't happen. Try another reason.

Did it take FedEx so long to get a contract? What are your expectations? Are they true?

Again... HOW to get a good career seems to be a foreign concept to too many pilots. Getting hired at a career carrier isn't the end. It is only the beginning...

 

[Flybynite]

Here, I'll use your logic a little more. If you buy a hat you get a good contract, but if you wear a hat all the time you get a concessionary contract. Is that how the industry works? It's so simple.... if you're really that naive.

 

[Tarzan]

I hereby make motion to grant Rez the award of, "Single Handedly Keeping A Thread Alive Way Past The Point Which It Should Have Died."

All in favor............

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Here, I'll use your logic a little more. If you buy a hat you get a good contract, but if you wear a hat all the time you get a concessionary contract. Is that how the industry works? It's so simple.... if you're really that naive.

Not sure.... SWA uses pilot hats in thier TV ads to sell tickets...

 

[Flybynite]

Not sure.... SWA uses pilot hats in thier TV ads to sell tickets...

Ok, you win. Buy a hat, get a raise. Damn negotiating committees wasting all that time at the table.

 

[Palomino]

Beyond the hat? OK? Like how?

Prater? What do you hope in Prater?


I am wondering you guys really understanding how this career works. Sure you want the pay and work rules but when the HOW is explain to you, it's like trying to get a teenager to do his homework....

you misquoted me, Rez. if you're going to argue at least do it correctly.

what do I hope for in Prater? a guy that doesn't dress up every day as a politician. i have always seen Prater as a pilot first and a defender of his constituency. i have witnessed Prater's leadership directly. i believe in the guy. i lost a lot of faith in the current ALPA leadership. cry all you want...but Woerth did nothing to inspire me.

we disagree Rez. deal with it. you don't always win.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

you misquoted me, Rez. if you're going to argue at least do it correctly.

Not my intention. Plz explain so I can get back on track.

what do I hope for in Prater? a guy that doesn't dress up every day as a politician. i have always seen Prater as a pilot first and a defender of his constituency. i have witnessed Prater's leadership directly. i believe in the guy. i lost a lot of faith in the current ALPA leadership. cry all you want...but Woerth did nothing to inspire me.

I agree and disagree with you. A politician? Any guy who asks for votes is a politician. He has to convince guys to vote for him. Prater did that. Prater is a politician.. and if he wants to be successful in DC he will be every bit the politican. Prater was a pilot and is now a politician. The ALPA Prez is a politician who understands pilots.

Not sure why ALPA pilots don't realize this. Politics and legislation has everything to do with your career.

The current ALPA leadership.....did a poor job remaining connected with the membership, but DW was an excellent politcian and did a good job for us. He just failed to show the membership.

BTW Prater had a hat on his website photos.

we disagree Rez. deal with it. you don't always win.

If I disagree that means I don't win? Recall, I am just pointing out that SWA uses hats in their commericals, the FedEx MEC used hats to get THE BEST CONTRACT. Prater had a hat on his website. So how is that me?

It is not about me..rather us.. and our ability to defend the profession

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Ok, you win. Buy a hat, get a raise. dang negotiating committees wasting all that time at the table.

NC can't do much without a unifed pilot group.