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[cybourg10]

Quarterly losses getting smaller and smaller?! 2nd Quarter 2010 XJT posts 18.6 million loss (compared to 13.1 2nd Quarter 2009) on higher than expected revenue. Keep that up and 100 mil cash will be gone real soon.

All you guys are asking is to honor your contract. All SKW is asking is drop the one list push, and the INTENT of your contract will be honored thru whipsaw and aircraft transfer protections. Saving your company from certain death doesnt hurt either.

We have more cash this year than we did a year ago, how does that happen if we are losing money every quarter? We have been cash flow positive on our operations over the past year. Certain death is not as certain and this internet CPA would have everyone believe.

Either way it does not matter. The intent of our scope was written for the situation if XJT was the acquiring carrier, that is where SKW probably has us by the b@lls. We will now work on whipsaw language going forward and get all furloughs back.

 

[sweptback]

I remember ASA guys talking about how he had to negotiate, how he would have to back off of his original position, and some of us tried to tell them, that's not how he works. Well, a year or two later they settled pretty much at the starting offer, plus or minus some minor concessions from the company.

Are you talking about the 2007 contract? If you are, you couldn't be farther from the truth.

 

[777forever]

We have more cash this year than we did a year ago, how does that happen if we are losing money every quarter? We have been cash flow positive on our operations over the past year. Certain death is not as certain and this internet CPA would have everyone believe.

Either way it does not matter. The intent of our scope was written for the situation if XJT was the acquiring carrier, that is where SKW probably has us by the b@lls. We will now work on whipsaw language going forward and get all furloughs back.

XJT cash is increasing. Havent dug deep enough to figure out why yet. As far as positive cash flow on your operations, XJT operating income for 2Q 2010 was -8.8 mil, -14.4 mil for1Q 2010

 

[cybourg10]

XJT cash is increasing. Havent dug deep enough to figure out why yet. As far as positive cash flow on your operations, XJT operating income for 2Q 2010 was -8.8 mil, -14.4 mil for1Q 2010

Cash flow on the operation has been positive as that has been stated in many of the last few quarterly reports.

For the last time it does not matter anymore. You guys are still discussing an outdated issue. XJT pilots have now been officially informed that XJT ALPA (along side ASA ALPA) will start to work on a transition agreement with whipsaw protection and the merger will start to move forward. No one list unless SKW votes in ALPA.

Look forward to working with the ACEY guys on our new contract.

 

[777forever]

Cash flow on the operation has been positive as that has been stated in many of the last few quarterly reports.

For the last time it does not matter anymore. You guys are still discussing an outdated issue. XJT pilots have now been officially informed that XJT ALPA (along side ASA ALPA) will start to work on a transition agreement with whipsaw protection and the merger will start to move forward. No one list unless SKW votes in ALPA.

Look forward to working with the ACEY guys on our new contract.

You have a point. I am very glad we are joining forces with you guys. It's a win-win situation for everyone involved. Bright bright future ahead.

 

[79%N1]

Except that we won't be joining...........

 

[COOPERVANE]

Except that we won't be joining...........

Elaborate?

 

[79%N1]

Deal is nearing it's death due to the XJ pilot MEC holding to binding Skywest to merge all 3 lists. JA not moving forward with that. By end of next week we should know.

 

[Baronman]

Deal is nearing it's death due to the XJ pilot MEC holding to binding Skywest to merge all 3 lists. JA not moving forward with that. By end of next week we should know.

Uncle Jerry knew this provision existed prior to purchasing XJT. If this doesn't go through, don't blame the XJT pilots, blame JA.

I think this whole situation really shows people's true colors. In any other universe, our fellow pilots would be backing up XJT, applauding sticking to the provision in our contract. Instead we have JA fan boys trying to put the fear of Uncle Jerry in us! Management must love you boys! I hope I'm never at a major voting on a contract or TA with the likes of you.

 

[cybourg10]

Deal is nearing it's death due to the XJ pilot MEC holding to binding Skywest to merge all 3 lists. JA not moving forward with that. By end of next week we should know.

Have you read anything I have posted or do you like just making stuff up? That post was 100% inaccurate.

 

[SoberIrishman]

I may be stupid - I just collect my winnings every two weeks and head home. Someone please educate me as to why it is an advantage to the XJT pilots to have all three lists merged. ASA and SKYW never did it, and I don't see any gloom and doom as a result.

ASA being with SKYW sure was a better deal than sticking with Delta as owners, that's for darn sure. (RIP Comair it looks like!) With a long term partnership involving Uniental and Delta, it seems like a bright future for the merged entities. XJT and ASA lists are fairly close, so where's the problem with us all getting down to work on this?


Simple language responses please.

 

[ASABound]

79% N1,
Hey Buddy, I am not sure who you are and I agree whole heartedly with some of your posts, but I believe that you might be wrong on this one. I have personally spoken with 3 XJT guys that I know (each based in EWR, CLE, and IAH Respectively) and they all have advised me that the word from the XJT MEC is that they have come up with a gentlemans agreement (prior to financial transaction) to give up scope protection with the understanding that the XJT / ASA MEC's will negotiate whipsaw protection, etc. for the new merged ASA. This solidify's Cybourg10's post. If you are trying to stir the pot, with all due respect, please stop. We are all professional airline pilots and these are peoples livelihood, income, families, and quality of life at stake ....on both sides of the house for that matter. If you can't tell the truth or not be negative, please don't post. This is the real deal, and could have very serious financial and QOL impacts for all us (good and bad), no place for trying to get under someones skin. The XJT guys and gals are our ALPA brothern and more importantly regardless of union affiliation are fellow professional airline pilots. Lets treat them and our own pilots with the respect that they deserve.....

 

[ASA Captain]

Where are the details. A gentlemen's agreement is nice, but show me the aircraft. How much of the growth do we all get and what is the punishment for transferring aircraft??

 

[boxjockey]

You know, I used to work for XJT, and it was one of the best jobs I've ever had. I cannot believe the childish lack of professionalism exhibited on this thread. Most of you sound like a bunch of 10-year-old girls. How do you ever expect to make gains once you are merged if you can't even have a constructive conversation? It really is sad to see that things are headed in the wrong direction. I have respect for ASA and their pilots, but some of you on this thread give them a bad name, as well as SKYW. Good luck to my friends at XJT, they are going to need it.

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[damnflyboy]

Fill in the blank: SkyWest, Inc wants to keep their airlines separate because ________.

Is it cheaper? Operational redundancy can't be cheap.
Better for the customer? Why they would care, I don't know.
The pilot groups hate each other? I don't hate any of them, personally.

I keep hearing that "whipsaw" is not the motive. So much in fact, an agreement stating such will be made. So...why? What is the hangup? Wouldn't the advantage of running a leaner operation outweigh the "disadvantage" of being a union airline?

 

[DHPFLYN]

Deal is nearing it's death due to the XJ pilot MEC holding to binding Skywest to merge all 3 lists. JA not moving forward with that. By end of next week we should know.

He is right deal will be dead. Everyone voted no on wearing hats !!

 

[79%N1]

If you are trying to stir the pot, with all due respect, please stop. We are all professional airline pilots and these are peoples livelihood, income, families, and quality of life at stake ....on both sides of the house for that matter. If you can't tell the truth or not be negative, please don't post. This is the real deal, and could have very serious financial and QOL impacts for all us (good and bad), no place for trying to get under someones skin. The XJT guys and gals are our ALPA brothern and more importantly regardless of union affiliation are fellow professional airline pilots. Lets treat them and our own pilots with the respect that they deserve.....

Hey man, I'm not trying to stir the pot at all. Just going off some things I heard was the early word on the proceedings. Sources close to the talks......anyway, I am not trying to instigate the XJ guys at all. I hope they do what they think is best for them. To the above poster that wonders why we are JA "fanboys" and wishes we would back them, we are not against you. We want to join up and make a kick ass regional, but a lot of us don't want to join up if the XJ guys are coming in with a big chip and complaining about PBS, one list and hats! I back them whatever they decide. I firmly believe that joining ASA would be better than their alternative, although some of them may disagree. At any rate, that was only what I heard came out early, that SKYW was ready to drop it because XJ was going to hold them to one list.

 

[DHPFLYN]

Hey man, I'm not trying to stir the pot at all. Just going off some things I heard was the early word on the proceedings. Sources close to the talks......anyway, I am not trying to instigate the XJ guys at all. I hope they do what they think is best for them. To the above poster that wonders why we are JA "fanboys" and wishes we would back them, we are not against you. We want to join up and make a kick ass regional, but a lot of us don't want to join up if the XJ guys are coming in with a big chip and complaining about PBS, one list and hats! I back them whatever they decide. I firmly believe that joining ASA would be better than their alternative, although some of them may disagree. At any rate, that was only what I heard came out early, that SKYW was ready to drop it because XJ was going to hold them to one list.

good point The hats and PBS. Why would anyone want PBS.

 

[nerjdriver]

Hey man, I'm not trying to stir the pot at all. Just going off some things I heard was the early word on the proceedings. Sources close to the talks......anyway, I am not trying to instigate the XJ guys at all. I hope they do what they think is best for them. To the above poster that wonders why we are JA "fanboys" and wishes we would back them, we are not against you. We want to join up and make a kick ass regional, but a lot of us don't want to join up if the XJ guys are coming in with a big chip and complaining about PBS, one list and hats! I back them whatever they decide. I firmly believe that joining ASA would be better than their alternative, although some of them may disagree. At any rate, that was only what I heard came out early, that SKYW was ready to drop it because XJ was going to hold them to one list.

Not any more.

 

[Whydoitry]

With 5000 pilots and a route map that colors in the continental U.S., can we at least stop calling the new ASA a regional?