ASA Contract Negotiations Stalled

[601Pilot]

Awesome!!!! Keep thinking that way and you'll talk yourselves right out of a job. Remember you're not longer owned by Delta. ASA/Skywest/Skywest Inc., can be fired for non performance even with their 15 year contract. You can be replaced by onyone who's willing to do it cheaper.

There's nothing wrong with negotiating and going by the SP's, but when you start sabotaging your operation, you're only screwing yourselves.

Good luck.

Yeah right! This is the kind of thinking that has put us in the position we are in now. If you don't work here, then why don't you just STFU!

 

[soardtk]

Now, I can understand that you guys are frustrated, and rightfully so, but honestly, SkyWest management hasn't agreed to anything with you guys yet, so it's impossible for them to reneg on anything. I doubt if they've even become involved in the negotiating process at all yet, aside from the "competetive" propoganda.

I have nothing in this negotiation but this statement really stood out while I was lurking.

When SkyWest bought ASA, they bought the pilots CBA as well. They knew that negotiations have been on going for three years and they were jumping into a hornets nest. This may be SkyWests first venture into RLA Section 6 negotiations but don't think they haven't done their homework prior to the purchase. If they are saying that they need more time to do a cost analysis, then everyone at ASA needs to cry BS!! SkyWest is a publicly held company and if they didn't do a cost analysis of the pilots CBA and what has been brought to the table by both sides prior to the purchase then they did the shareholders a terrible disservice. SkyWest and ASA's pilots should unify together on this since both groups will be directly effected by the outcome. If not, let the whip sawing begin.

 

[SSDD]

601,

That's really eloquent!

Where am I wrong? This all started back in the mid to late 80's, and probably neither you or I have had much saying on "how we got here." But you can't ignore the reality of todays environment. Mainline guys are willing to fly 100 seaters for less than you make in your 70 seater. Look at what's happening at Comair, either they make some drastic concessions, or they will be slowly dismantled.

Its your problem, and you can deal with it any way you want to.

If you don't want outsiders commenting on your internal problems then keep them off the public forums.

BTW that STFU stuff only works behind the anonimity of a bullenting board.

Take care

 

[theo]

Skywest Inc. gives ASA managment a number and then tell them to meet that number. Skywest Inc. has absolutly nothing to do with ASA negotiations or for that matter day to day operations!
ASA managment is exploiting our "new ownership" to stall negotiations even more.
PEOPLE get your heads out of your asses and start getting each other FIRED UP!! It's time to get some motivated pissed off pilots out there making some noise for ASA and Skywest Inc. to hear. We have to be UNIFIED and then our negotiators can get $hit done!
So get in the lounges and talk, talk to each other talk to the chief pilots. Lets get each other motivated to get this thing finished. Everything.....EVERYTHING from managment is going to be doom and gloom from this point on. ASA is not going to just fall from the sky. We have to take advantage of the Delta mega hub called ATL. It is their golden goose and ASA/Skywest Inc. can't afford a disruption there!
Get Motivated

Golden Goose? Have you read the papers? Delta is bankrupt!

 

[shamrock]

Golden Goose? Have you read the papers? Delta is bankrupt!

The ATL hub is crucial to Delta, even in bankruptcy.

 

[Phony Marconi]

Golden Goose? Have you read the papers? Delta is bankrupt!

Comon, man! Don't fall for that crap!

"Bankruptcy" is the oldest shell game in the book. Atlanta is their golden goose.....tons of cash are flowing through the daily operation there. It has, and will continue to, enrichen a select few individuals.

Obviously, the word "bankrupt" has tricked you into expecting less....just like it was designed to do.

 

[Bluto]

SkyWest and ASA's pilots should unify together on this since both groups will be directly effected by the outcome. If not, let the whip sawing begin.

I agree 100%.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

HMMMM,
Seems like the SKYW pilots rejected the paltry 1.2%, now no one will talk to us either,the script is being acted out. Watch out for the second act of Chicken Little- The Sky is Crashing. The ministers of propaganda are spooling up, so prepare for the doom and gloom act, part 2.
Good Luck guys, you are gonna need it!
PBR

 

[WWEfan]

We already got the "doom and gloom" act from management in the form of a DVD. 5 minutes of JA and BL telling us how we need to stay competitve and how all the other regionals are going to undercut us. I cry BS. We havent seen a raise in 3 years and never had expensive work rules. How can you be more competitve than that?

All we want are industry STANDARD work rules. Some things that would actually improve our company's deficiencies.

Also, how could they know how competitive we are when they haven't even done a cost analysis on us? Again I cry BS.

 

[atrdriver]

I'd be willing to bet that they won't factor in all the pilots who won't be SE taxiing, or doing flex takeoffs anymore. Or those who will be running the APU whenever possible. They are going to throw more money away on these things then they will save by stalling a few more years on a fair contract.

 

["GO AROUND"]

SSDD,

What's the answer then? Cause you seem to know it all.

 

[theo]

Comon, man! Don't fall for that crap!

"Bankruptcy" is the oldest shell game in the book. Atlanta is their golden goose.....tons of cash are flowing through the daily operation there. It has, and will continue to, enrichen a select few individuals.

Obviously, the word "bankrupt" has tricked you into expecting less....just like it was designed to do.

Are you serious? A trick? Tell that to all of the people who have lost their job at Delta and the Connection carriers. I know it sucks that things are bad in the industry but you are smoking some goof stuff if you think you and the union are going to be raising any bars at ASA or elsewhere for quite some time. First the industry has to recover then you can look for improvements ..till then the only one being tricked is apparently you.

 

[Tomct]

ssdd....Yeah, I saw what the mainline guys get for 100 seaters and NO we don't make more! You are forgetting that we have no trip duty rig, no retirement, no REAL match on 401 and NO scheduling (QOL) issues in our current agreement! You add all of that up and those guys will probably be making around 120-130 hr to fly that thing! Our 18 yr guys barely make 102 hr, so don't go saying we make more....BECAUSE WE DONT!!!


Theo...Companies have been using the "old" bankruptsy rules for years to lower costs and put the screws to their employee's. Look at what Hawaiin Air tried to do to Boeing for new leases. Boeing told them to go stick it! Did'nt get those new lease agreements on those airplanes, because Boeing called BS and the Judge backed them on it! Skywest Inc and ASA are making a TON of money right now. I don't want SUPER PAY, but there better be something or it is going to get UGLY AROUND DIS MO FO!!!:angryfire

 

[79%N1]

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[79%N1]

Look. I think everyone at ASA know we are'nt going to break the bank on pay rates. Infact, many expect there will be no increase in rates. The sad thing is, most of us only want the increases to QOL issues that are INDUSTRY STANDARD!! We are all smart enough to know that our rates are pretty standard to the rest of the industry on the 700, and a bit lower on the 200. I can really see a scenario where SKYW management pushes for on rate for both airplanes. This would probably bring the 200 pay up a bit, and the 700 pay down a bit. But we really want the crappy QOL issues cleaned up in our contract, stuff that does not COST that much! Were not all thinking about raising the bar at a time where our ML partner is bankrupt, Comair is furloughing and taking concessions, and our 700 rates are already higher than most of the industry, including the ones of the company that just purchased us.

What we should really be wondering is.....what are the details of the secret meeting between ASA and all the unions, where secret confidentiality agreements were signed, followed by our negotiations breaking down. That probably holds the key to the future of ASA more than anything!