ASA Contract List

[Palerider957]

I suppose DL may want to delay so they could enter Chap 11 and impose a new contract. If they did and ASA pilots refused and wanted to strike, they could (maybe) bring the Mesa ERJs into ATL to try to fill in. You never know........ I hope they settle with you guys.



Bye Bye--General Lee

Mesa acad. grads would probably be MORE than willing to fly our stuck work. Be careful General, you sound almost like you are gloating--these same pilots would positively KILL to fly your airplanes/routes for pennies on the dollar.

DAL pilots supporting us will not only help prevent a strike (and subsequent tanking of DAL), but will support your current wage levels.

Oh, hell....DAL gonna go BK before Sept. anyway......

 

[Tomct]

CF34 you got it right brotha! I am with you all the way. Good faith MY ASS! They have been dragging their feet and it is time to make them pay! I don't think that most pilots realize here at ASA that we really do have them by the B@LLS! We could bring this sucker down if they don't get a move on!

We need all of what you said and Comair "OLD" Plus 3-5 %! H3LL, that is not even keeping us up with the cost of living! Although, I'm sure that Skippy is having a rough time of it in his new Vette!

Yeah, that's some REAL GOOD FAITH!!

 

[scarlet]

WHAT happens if ASA goes on strike tomorrow( saying if they could )

TO BIG Delta in ATL......uummhh

We hold a very big key right now, and one that no one else has held, we would close Delta down in a heart beat, they are that close and us doing work stoppage for a few days would really send them over the edge....

 

[Tomct]

Scarlet: You got that right! People around here act like we are not holding all of the cards! We HOLD THEM ALL!! We would CRUSH big D if we went on strike or some kind of work stopage! People at ASA need to realize that we sit better than any other Delta regional because of where we are based! What do we have, 800-1000 flights a day out of ATL! No ONE and I mean NO ONE, could replace our service!

Come On People, LOOK at the BIG PICTURE!!
Keep the Faith!

 

[FlyAuburn]

I agree with you guys, but we have to slow this ship down. I still feel like we help too much.

 

[Plug]

And that would be struck work...........
You should know that GL!

Ah, GL mentioned Mesa, remember some Mesa dweebs went over to Freedum. Not critisizing all Mesa pilots, but some showed the tendency to jump before, what is to stop others like them to do it also? There are always some at every airline willing to jump across the line. We have some here in Candler Land, one in particular out in SLC who is "good friends" with Garth Brooks.

Cheers

 

[bailout]

Count me in.....
100% retro pay, or no vote......

 

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W H A T E V E R!

Your MEC Chairman agreed to waive part of the contract because crew scheduling was inconvenienced by having to pick up their phones & abide by LOA 27.

If LOA 27 was violated, the Company owed you a day off. Seems perfectly fair to me - the Company wastes a day of your time dutying in for a flight they knew was cancelled at least 2 hours ahead of time and in return you get a compensatory day off. Why did Bob give this up? Why give anything up?

I don't care if they hire Bob Hoover to be the new VP of Flight Operations, it is time that this Company prove good intentions instead of our MEC going the extra mile just to find out that Mr. Nice Guy is actually a the same old, same old, this Company has had in one version or another since 1980.

Our first mistake is not insisting that this deal gets done with the Company that has operational control of our airline - DELTA. Our next mistake is the loss of grievances which could have been won and the third mistake is being "cooperative" by rolling on letters of agreement while Crew Scheduling is beating the crap out of pilots with occurrences for junior man assignments which we are illegal for on our days off ( beer in hand as I write this ).

No - we ASA pilots get what we deserve. Pee'd Off yet? We'll you need something to motivate you.

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[Tomct]

Go Ahead Fins.....Sing It BABY!! I am right with you....SCREW THEM!

 

[sweptback]

No - we ASA pilots get what we deserve. Pee'd Off yet? We'll you need something to motivate you.

Actually, part of me wonders if the LOA "good faith" concession to the company was meant to motivate us. That's a lot of free days off our pilot group just lost, and people are pissed. All in the name of the greater good...

 

[wil]

To get my signature I must see 100% retro pay, commuter clause, trip/duty rig and at least Comair rates!

 

[Redan]

Observations on my first post here:


Our company has not been negotiating in good faith, but willing to spend untold amounts on lawyers. Hence, we are obligated to stand firm on the issues listed in prior posts including; retro pay, scheduling reform, Comair pay rates at a minimum, and trip/duty rigs. Additionally, ambiguous contract language must be eliminated. Others have stated that we will have to give up something to get retro pay. I fail to understand this reasoning. This seems to indicate we may have to give up something to receive what we are owed by our company.

I cannot understand our MEC's willingness to give on LOA 27. In an environment of teamwork and cooperation I might support such flexibility. We have not been operating in such an environment.

We are a huge cog in the Atlanta operation. It is required of the pilot group to indicate strike willingness, and do so if neccessary. What we gain will be of much greater value in the final analysis than what is lost during the strike. If our company attempts scare tactics to avert strike action, we must be unfazed. This is standard procedure in a situation such as this. Any threats levied by the company which are actually valid, will come to pass regardless of the contract negotiation/strike outcome.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Excellent first post.

 

[Comin-In-Hot]

Pardon me,

I will be starting class in a week and a half, and I am a little unsure about several of the agendas pilots are pushing for. Being that this will be my first experience in a union environment, I am unsure about what a few things mean. I do indeed expect some replys from my fellow cohorts to be full of sarcasm, jest, and other random forms of entertainment, but that being said, here goes:

1) what is meant by trip/duty rigs?

2) how does retro pay work, and as a new hire will I get lots of easy cash?

Looking forward to the respone(s)

C-I-H.

 

[Airboss]

1 trip/duty rigs....
Currently we have a 20+ hour overnights in CVG and DCA. When you are on them, you get paid ONLY 1.50$ per hour for per diem.

With duty rigs, Taken fron another post....

Trip rigs = guaranteed pay for a given length of trip. Say you have a trip that takes you away from base for 70 hours. If you have a trip rig of 3.5:1 you would be guaranteed one hour of pay for every 3.5 hours on a trip. That 70 hour trip would pay a minimum of 20 hours.

Duty rigs= guaranteed pay for a duty period. Say you have a 12 hour duty period and you have a 2:1 duty rig. You are guaranteed 1 hour pay for every 2 hours on duty. You would be paid a minimum of 6 hours for that 12 hour duty period.
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[Airboss]

Retro Pay,
Lets say you get paid 25$ per hour for the last year (1 year) (since the contract ended). Now your NEW contract says you make 35$ per hour.

The company will pay you $10 per each hour that you flew over the last year. This basically makes it like you were getting $35 per hour since your last contract expired.

 

[4newcontract]

Nice new mandatory reading memo about CAT II approaches.
Question, maybe we should be paid 0.25 or 0.50 hr per one we turn in.
This is helping out the company, but makes our lives and ATC's more difficult.

 

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1) what is meant by trip/duty rigs?

2) how does retro pay work, and as a new hire will I get lots of easy cash?

Looking forward to the respone(s)

C-I-H.

Trip and duty rigs are a way to ensure the company schedules their pilots productively. For example, as a junior loser Captain ( you will be an even more junior loser FO ) you will get trips that take you to places like Columbus for 72 hours over Christmas. During those 72 hours, I got paid $1.50 per hour per diem.

At a real airline, like Fed Ex, each 24 hour period you are away from home the Company has to pay you 4.5 hours. So you see the difference:

ASA - three day round trip to CSG - 1.46 hours pay
Fed Ex - three day round trip to CSG - 13.5 hours pay

In my view it is a win / win since the Company should want to use your services while you are on duty and most of us would rather be home than watching a 25 inch TV in a moldy hotel room, or sitting in a bar paying $4.50 for a Bud Light. Notice that there is another thread about ASA cancelling flight due to lack of crews. It isn't that they have a lack of crews, it is because crews are sitting in hotels in DCA and ICT bored out of their freakin minds, getting the $1.50 per diem. Believe me, we pilots would rather be flying....

As far as retro pay, don't get your hopes up skippy. Chautauqua-Republic-Mid Atlantic-Rodham-Clinton is flying E170's for more than $10 less an hour than ASA pays ATR pilots. The E170 is a nice jet and will kick the livin crap out of CRJ200's on revenue, cost per seat mile and customer satisfaction. In case you have been in a deep hole with Osama, those E170's are not coming to ASA.

ASA has the choice in this alter ego love fest of either pulling a Comair, or being like the US Air Wholly Owned Airlines and ceasing to be relevant. Nothing about our contract is looking pretty - if there is a retro check, you might be writing it to Delta.

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