ASA Connection.....(Or should I say "Concession?")

[sweptback]

Yep you should get about 19 or so more. I am guessing on another 2 for 1.

From whom?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I am betting on most of those on order going to you.

 

[79%N1]

How about a 2 for lick my nads!

ASA had better not accept another one of these deals. Another one of these will lead to major furloughs and downgrades. We already will need to eliminate nearly 100 more FO positions (at 5 per pland times 20 planes) if we find no flying for the 20 when they are due to leave next summer.

Add in another 10 900's at a loss of 20 more 200's......we would need to shed 200 FO's and downgrade 100+ Captains! No thanks!

 

[1080P]

Your MEC chair, Dave is one of the best guys you have there. He made a choice to stay there to make it a better place. He was and is not stuck, it is a choice!
He knows the DCI contract that ASA signed, and knows the numbers. ALPA national is looking at the data too.
Here is link to the contract. (trade secret areas have been blanked out)
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/793733/000110465905043902/a05-16042_1ex1d2.htm

Okay I don't vol my time for our union but I totally disagree with you on him and the others.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

50's are going away either way. I know that there was a graduated layering of the contract. Just not sure when it started. Either way I am sure the initial agreement has been amended.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Okay I don't vol my time for our union but I totally disagree with you on him and the others.

Fair enough. I think he is a good guy. I do not know how he chair's the mec.

 

[rf285]

He didn't. He actually failed the NWA interview when he started spouting off about how morally wrong he thought Compass was during the "Do you have any questions for us?" portion.

He's bitter. He's an ex rep. He's a Midwesterner. You know who he is... just think about it.

Not known as the most levelheaded of people even on his best days.

Click.

 

[79%N1]

50's are going away either way. I know that there was a graduated layering of the contract. Just not sure when it started. Either way I am sure the initial agreement has been amended.

Let them take some from Pinnacle, Chatauqua and Freedom and anyone else.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

They may, time will tell. It is a way to dump 50's which is the desire as of late.

 

[twott driver]

Last time I counted, losing 20 aircraft and getting 10 back was a net loss of 10. Rather large difference, but a loss none the less.

How about a 2 for lick my nads!

ASA had better not accept another one of these deals. Another one of these will lead to major furloughs and downgrades. We already will need to eliminate nearly 100 more FO positions (at 5 per pland times 20 planes) if we find no flying for the 20 when they are due to leave next summer.

Add in another 10 900's at a loss of 20 more 200's......we would need to shed 200 FO's and downgrade 100+ Captains! No thanks!

 

[Abernathy]

You have to get costs there one way or another. If you are so smart you would have read the contract that DAL and ASA agreed to three years ago.

If you do not get the costs in to the bottom two, DAL has the right to impose those costs on you, you can accept that, or they take your flying.
Read some of the posts on it. It sucks but that is what your former management and SKW's Jerry Atkin agreed to when they bought ASA.

Are you actually suggesting regional pilots to take concessions? Do you remember what we make?

If I ever take concessions from the sh** pay I already make, I will leave this "job." I didn't go into flying for the money, but I also didn't take it to make a penny less than what I make now. Fact is us FO's will be here on the right seat a long time with age 65 and no one else moving on. Less than $30-35K as highly trained professional to fly transport aircraft? There are a million other ways to cut costs than impose concessions on the pilot group.

You can go f*** yourself.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I am not saying the pilots need to do anything. I am saying ASA will need to do it. I do not think the pilots should have to give up anything.
It needs to come from the inefficiencies of the operation, ie the GO.
But I will go f myself, thanks!

 

[crj567]

Are you actually suggesting regional pilots to take concessions? Do you remember what we make?

If I ever take concessions from the sh** pay I already make, I will leave this "job." I didn't go into flying for the money, but I also didn't take it to make a penny less than what I make now. Fact is us FO's will be here on the right seat a long time with age 65 and no one else moving on. Less than $30-35K as highly trained professional to fly transport aircraft? There are a million other ways to cut costs than impose concessions on the pilot group.

You can go f*** yourself.

-Pretty much my sentiments. ACL65 loves to bash us, then come back and write nice things about what a great bunch we are.

-ACL needs to understand the "good cop/bad cop" routine works far better when there are two separate cops involved. If you do it all yourself-ACL, you just look like a tool.

-It has been a long time since ACL flew an "50 seater" or "barbie-jet," or whatever clever euphemism is in vogue over at the red triangle club at the moment. This guy has been assimilated, and really hates us just as much as the General. The only problem with ACL is he tries to play nice every once in a while to attempt to keep up his "street-cred."

-As far as many of these ass-clowns are concerned-we ARE the enemy, and THEY should be flying 757s to DHN.

-I'll bet, truth be told, ACL probably refers to us as employed by the lowly "commuter" he used to fly for, when he is jaw-jacking with all his new red triangle pals.

-ACL doesn't fool me for a second.

P.S.-Skywest already flushed most of the riff-raff out of the G.O. (they flushed three times, just for good measure.) They actually do a far better job of running things than any of the previous guys (DALupper mgmt.) did, so there ain't a lot to cut other than our pay-and that will be next-oughta save enough to buy lots of shiny new red triangles for all the really important pilots....

 

[Abernathy]

My guess is if they were to force concessions, the place would get torn down. Not worth the cost.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

How about a 2 for lick my nads!

ASA had better not accept another one of these deals. Another one of these will lead to major furloughs and downgrades. We already will need to eliminate nearly 100 more FO positions (at 5 per pland times 20 planes) if we find no flying for the 20 when they are due to leave next summer.

Add in another 10 900's at a loss of 20 more 200's......we would need to shed 200 FO's and downgrade 100+ Captains! No thanks!

They are going away in any case. Might as well get some 900s in exchange.