ASA Connection.....(Or should I say "Concession?")

[79%N1]

WOW!! Delta pilots truely do believe they are God's gift to the aviation world! Simply unbelievable. Get a clue. Regional crews are trained to a high standard. Are you saying I'm not highly trained? I probably have more type ratings than you, passed more checkrides and I'm guessing has more time than you......Delta God. Get over yourself. You are an imbecile.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I agree, I have to say that ASA has one of the best training depts. in commercial aviation today.
You guys do an awesome job.

 

[79%N1]

Voice of some reason that remembers where he came from............

 

[Browntothebone]

WOW!! Delta pilots truely do believe they are God's gift to the aviation world! Simply unbelievable. Get a clue. Regional crews are trained to a high standard. Are you saying I'm not highly trained? I probably have more type ratings than you, passed more checkrides and I'm guessing has more time than you......Delta God. Get over yourself. You are an imbecile.

If you are such a great pilot as you claim, how come you are still at a commuter?

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Yep-just as much as I want to be you....

I'm sure you do!:blush: I'm sure your man tanker clown will be real jealous of that!:laugh:

I have always thought it would be cool to wear my ass on my shoulders.

Then why do you wear yours on your face?

It is really tough to pull off, but you make it look so easy-what's your secret?

I'm sure it's spending lots of time at the crj567 trailer!:laugh:

 

[JumpersAway]

BrownInThePants-how did you pass your UPS interview? Your spelling sucks and your grammar is worse.

 

[79%N1]

If you are such a great pilot as you claim, how come you are still at a commuter?

LOL! Was gonna just ignore this.....but,

First off, I never did say I was a great pilot. Just challenged the idiodic assertion that REGIONAL pilots are not well trained or experienced.

Next, um....who is hiring? I sat out the last round because I was afraid that furloughs were ahead for those at the end of that wave, (just like they were all furloughed at the end of the previous one). Looks smart now, as CAL, UAL did furlough. NWA/Delta have not hired for quite some time, SWA not hiring. Get it.

And last...who says everyone wants to go to the big Legacy's? Why is that assumed. For me, right now, I don't want to commute nor move. I don't desire to be the bottom guy on reserve somewhere commuting to a filthy crash-pad. I make what I consider to be a nice living and I enjoy what I do.
(NOT TO MENTION NOBODY IS HIRING SMARTY!)

None of that means I am not well trained or not experienced, like you Gods of Aviation who have reached that golden pinnacle of the profession think.

 

[Speedtape]

Being at a legacy does not mean that you are a great pilot, more intelligent, or any other self-ordained claim.

Many of us know plenty of our former peers that were hired early on in the last hiring that not only did not meet any of those criteria, but because of their "body of work," our Company was glad to see them go anywhere.

Next argument, please?

 

[Speedtape]

Make sure that when you get PBS you make sure you close a lot of loopholes in your Scheduling section. If not, it will not be fun.

How do you like PBS over line bidding?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

How do you like PBS over line bidding?

Senior people love it because you do not have to pattern bid, though that is an option, and junior people do not like it.

It is efficient. No training, month to month and vacation conflicts. The system schedules you around it. It is very efficient. I have not been able to see anyone turn a week of vacation in to three, maybe 10 days or so but that is about it.

Our Navtec software lets you have about 75 or so preferences in it. It really takes some work to get good at it. A lot of people get nailed by the denial mode which reverts to reserve if they are not careful.

You get to see a greater variety of flying though.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Being at a legacy does not mean that you are a great pilot, more intelligent, or any other self-ordained claim.

Many of us know plenty of our former peers that were hired early on in the last hiring that not only did not meet any of those criteria, but because of their "body of work," our Company was glad to see them go anywhere.

Next argument, please?

I know there is a few here that have been problem children here too.

 

[JumpersAway]

I know there is a few here that have been problem children here too.

Ahhh- it happens at every outfit. However, what Brown doesn't realize is that prior to 9/11, UPS was where those that were washed up went, or waited to move on to DAL, UAL, etc.

Frankly, I'm suprised Brown hasn't been banned yet. Not a single post has been put up by this guy that bears any sort of constructive criticism or relevent thought processes. Frankly, everything I've read from this guy has been flaming trash.............

Since admin won't make this guy go away, I'll aid in the process myself via the ignore function........

 

[Speedtape]

Senior people love it because you do not have to pattern bid, though that is an option, and junior people do not like it.

It is efficient. No training, month to month and vacation conflicts. The system schedules you around it. It is very efficient. I have not been able to see anyone turn a week of vacation in to three, maybe 10 days or so but that is about it.

Our Navtec software lets you have about 75 or so preferences in it. It really takes some work to get good at it. A lot of people get nailed by the denial mode which reverts to reserve if they are not careful.

You get to see a greater variety of flying though.

You said, "Senior people love it." By Senior, you mean Senior within a position (position as you knew it at ASA?) as opposed to just the top people on the Seniority List?

So, on the assumption of seniority within a position, in your case, as you move up the list within your position of 767 F/O, your satisfaction will continue to increase bidding with PBS?

In hours, what credit value is a vacation day worth at Delta?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yes, I am a pilot. I am a pilot who loves his job and wants to keep it. Unfortunately, PBS is a necessary evil and based on our competition within DCI, but more importantly within the Skywest, INC., we are at a cost disadvantage because we don't have it. It is a concession for our pilot group, but it may be better than taking pay cuts and losing other benefits. Having stated that, PBS can be a better way of bidding if done right.

I am not an expert on PBS. I have done as much research as I can online, talked to many friends at other airlines that have it, and tried to pick the brains of those who are involved researching it. There are some good resources online to get a general idea of the concepts.

You are right. There has not been much specific information come from either the Company or our Union on the subject matter. I can only assume that neither party wants to show their hand to the other--a necessary position in business.

I would recommend that every pilot try to do his/her own research to at least get your arms around it. I am sure, if it goes forward on our property, that there will be information that will be forthcoming. However, if you can get some education first on the matter, at least you can ask intelligent questions when that day comes. From what I understand, our PBS pilot group has done their homework and is well equiped to protect our interests. We will have to have confidence in those involved.

I have confidence in this MEC. On any major issue over the last few years, they have a good track record of doing their home work and delivering to our pilot group. One example is ASAP. They did their homework, consulted with other airline pilot groups, learned what was needed to have a good program, made protecting pilot participants a number one priority, and held out until the Company would agree to the protections that we needed to make the system work and protect our pilots. It is the best ASAP program in the industry with those protections, and is being used as a model at some other pilot groups that are trying to improve their programs and some that are trying to bring it onboard.

I believe, that when and if PBS is presented to our pilot group, that the same diligence, patience, and knowlege will be demonstrated. If we have to get PBS, it will be well researched and many of the needed controls will be in place. I think it can be a better system than line bidding. However, to some degree it will still be a concession. Given our competitive environment, and the efficiencies that it can deliver for our Company, it may be a necessary dose of medicine we have to take. Like most pilots, if we have to get it, and like our ASAP accomplishments, I want the best system available and with the protections that can make it beneficial to some degree. I believe that is possible and once again, I think that is what will be delivered at some point by our own peers.

Thanks for your time.

Very well said Speedtape...I find that we agree more now than we used to...What has changed? I'm curious as to the reason some of the more "hard line" folks are now beginning to acknowledge the unfortunate need to "compete" within the portfolio...What has caused this change?

 

[blesko]

If you are such a great pilot as you claim, how come you are still at a commuter?

remember that when you probably need a "commuter" pilot to give you a ride home so you can your travel bank fully stocked

 

[Speedtape]

Very well said Speedtape...I find that we agree more now than we used to...What has changed? I'm curious as to the reason some of the more "hard line" folks are now beginning to acknowledge the unfortunate need to "compete" within the portfolio...What has caused this change?

I had a Dream!